babyhueypnewton posted:i think thug lessons brought up a good point. class based essentialism industrialized the Soviet Union and created a socialist half of the world. Stalin didn't ask for a separate faction of the party for Georgians and Zinoviev didn't tell Lenin to "check his privilege" as a gentile. marxism has been the shining light of oppressed people around the world and led to the creation of the modern world. the "white male centric" marxism of the old left had marxist schools, marxist sports clubs, marxist newspapers (that mattered), and serious revolutionary upheavals in the first world.
what are the accomplishments of intersectionality? what are the accomplishments of the new left generally? a defeated left, a bunch of spoiled academics and mentally ill, depressed people on the internet. a capitulation to liberalism and the post-modern virus.
why do we give credit to these theories, because they're more correct? that's debateable, but why are we even choosing truth over untruth? a revolutionary organization has one goal, which is to make revolution. it is not supposed to be the prenatal form of the just society we wish to see, this is the mistake of the anarchists and why they can't do shit. the party is a machiavellian organization, and I have yet to see any convincing argument that giving credit to identity politics has done anything more than rot the left from the inside.
this is dumb, the goal isn't some vaguely defined revolution, the goal is socialism
"we can learn what we do not know. we are not only good at smashing the old order, we are good at building the new" - mao tse-tung
animedad posted:a lot of revolutions were only vaguely socialist in the beginning tho. like in Cuba Castro didn't even understand a lot about Marxism but he knew about tactics for his circumstances and how to get the people he needed.
yeah lol at first after all the capitalists in the USA were like, "this is about the best we could've expected, a revolution but it won't destroy the liberal economy of Cuba -- huh buh wha??"
(though cuba is odd in that regard cos as much as being peasant it also had shit like telegraph infrastructure because of tourism)
che is the key to marxism in Cuba though and he was well into the economic transformation of the state basically form the second he arrived their and that kept marxism always on the tongue of the movement even as the communist party of cuba just flailed around a bit
its certainly an economy which always needs to be dependent on something as well just because its completely unable to be self sufficient
its a bit unfair to say the economy is not planned though, they use an enterprise system but the economy is still planned and the attempts to shift away from tourism now they have utilized to semi stabalise their economy is indicative of that
its also a bit unfair to say its utterly stagnated as well, the economy has provided a fairly solid living standard considering its a tiny carribean island and although its difficult to see its plan to be a "information" economy without a socialist bloc or even a coherent pink bloc to trade with as long as they are able to maintain some allies in the region they will be able to keep reforming their way through isolation
furthermore its daft to call them revisionist, they have stayed socialist, continued to attempt to use planning for the aim of developing the country, maintained an anti imperialist line even if they don't do much about it now they don't have a super power letting them go for it and they have continued to make sure the communist party is well integrated and legitimised, plus they still make school kids read lenin and teach marxist economics in school
SovietFriends posted:the china socialist point is a propaganda exercise to be fair because they basically require trade with them to get capital goods
its certainly an economy which always needs to be dependent on something as well just because its completely unable to be self sufficient
its a bit unfair to say the economy is not planned though, they use an enterprise system but the economy is still planned and the attempts to shift away from tourism now they have utilized to semi stabalise their economy is indicative of that
its also a bit unfair to say its utterly stagnated as well, the economy has provided a fairly solid living standard considering its a tiny carribean island and although its difficult to see its plan to be a "information" economy without a socialist bloc or even a coherent pink bloc to trade with as long as they are able to maintain some allies in the region they will be able to keep reforming their way through isolation
furthermore its daft to call them revisionist, they have stayed socialist, continued to attempt to use planning for the aim of developing the country, maintained an anti imperialist line even if they don't do much about it now they don't have a super power letting them go for it and they have continued to make sure the communist party is well integrated and legitimised, plus they still make school kids read lenin and teach marxist economics in school
claptrap
they are trying to move away from it now but it did play its role and its unlikely anything else could of + using the cash they have shifted to a more self sufficiency economy and maintained stability even as the labor and agriculutural market went from crisis to crisis so it was semi well spent
getfiscal posted:"i imagine a future where our grandchildren serve drinks to the canadian middle class at beach hotels, free from the yoke of imperialism." - che guevara
O yea? Well you do better
that is awesome
in part that was about switching away from the model the soviet union was promoting though
getfiscal posted:yeah maybe if they had industrialized instead of farming sugar for russians all day they could have avoided economic disaster enough that they wouldn't need to run prostitution rackets for drunk foreigners.
<3
SovietFriends posted:also Cuban tourism is stoically middle ground its all about the western working class families buying a holiday with credit mixing with the Latin American lower middle class
that is awesome
what?
i thought it was where porcine germans and disgusting frenchman went to fuck acquiescent brown girls
SovietFriends posted:i dont know about prostitute lark to be honest as well, i know its been a problem historically in tourism with alot of socialist countries but no idea to what extent it exists in Cuba though as far as i am aware their arn't any red light districts as such more its like an informal trend around tourist areas
An informal trend, yeah I’m sure the prostitution activity doesn’t operate in a network of bribes, corruption, pimps, payment for access to the tourist places, favouritism, crime and drugs
Ironicwarcriminal posted:what?
i thought it was where porcine germans and disgusting frenchman went to fuck acquiescent brown girls
in the uk its kind of like the slightly more exiting package holiday then this year was first year more non imperialist country tourists turned up which was nice
Ironicwarcriminal posted:An informal trend, yeah I’m sure the prostitution activity doesn’t operate in a network of bribes, corruption, pimps, payment for access to the tourist places, favouritism, crime and drugs
crime (with the exception of black market lark which is different from "crime") and drugs in cuba are not really a problem
i would not all be surprised if prostitution existed on a large scale though, foreign currency is gold dust it has just never been held up as a systemic phenomenon like in other places where sex tourism is specifically an aim plus i imagine its linked to different social phenemon then other places cos of how cuban economy is setup
from a really wank biased wikipedai article on it http://www.bridgew.edu/soas/jiws/Jun05/Pope.pdf seems like a academic piece on it
SovietFriends posted:crime (with the exception of black market lark which is different from "crime") and drugs in cuba are not really a problem|
except the crime of revisionism and the drug of foreign tourism
jeffery posted:Tom walks through this thread carrying a bag of food as trash blows around his feet.
Tom camina por este hilo llevando una bolsa de comida como golpes de basura alrededor de sus pies
Ironicwarcriminal posted:Goethestein posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
getfiscal posted:
part of me assumes that she's actively harmed the art world through her teaching. like someone paints some brilliant painting and she's like "that doesn't look anything like me" *tears apart canvas of portrait of old man*
She’s clearly suffering and I don’t think human suffering is anything to celebrate or laugh at no matter it’s sources
Terminator 2 was on tv last night and arnie was like “it iss in yo-uh naycha too destroy yoo-urselvz” and it made me sad because that’s all we do from top to bottom, all day every day: and endless cycle of judgement, mockery, formulating distinctions, categorizing people.
Fuck the philosophers and rent-seekers, Rodney king posed the most truthful honest question of the last few decades and everyone laughed at him for it.
there are only three potential responses to human suffering:
1. ignore it. this is the sanest option, chosen instinctively by the vast majority of everyone in the first world, as even so much as noticing it carries no benefit.
2. get indignant about it. this will only bring sadness and poverty to have as about as much effect as getting indignant at the sunrise or the salinity of the sea
3. laugh at it. this option is frankly insane, but it is pleasant, and allows one to acknowledge reality without being dragged down by pointlessly swinging at the shades of its horrorok Goatstein thanks for the tips, i guess i just need to laugh more at suffering and perhaps I can be as happy as you.
your problem is that you see human suffering as some random instance of the cosmos, when the reality is that most human suffering derives from the creation of new humans without the capacity to support them. take for example the third world. most leftists like to blame the state of the people there on abstract concepts like capitalism or imperialism. but the reality is that every single person suffering there today does so only because their parents cruelly fucked in the front hole, likely as a way to generate slaves to perpetuate their own wretched and worthless existences for a few years more. the only justice is in oblivion
Keven posted:*pulls off sunglasses to reveal cat eye contact lenses* excuse me sir but you have to leave
lol
Goethestein posted:cruelly fucked in the front hole
how did you figure out my wddp handle
SovietFriends posted:i would not all be surprised if prostitution existed on a large scale though, foreign currency is gold dust it has just never been held up as a systemic phenomenon like in other places where sex tourism is specifically an aim
i would not all be surprised if cuban sex tourism exists on a large scale comparable to places that american liberals think of when you say "sex tourism" except that it has just never been held up as a systemic phenomenon because american liberals aren't interested, because cuba might as well be on the moon as far as they're concerned (if you can't spend money there, it doesn't really exist as a place on planet earth)
slumlord posted:SovietFriends posted:i would not all be surprised if prostitution existed on a large scale though, foreign currency is gold dust it has just never been held up as a systemic phenomenon like in other places where sex tourism is specifically an aim
i would not all be surprised if cuban sex tourism exists on a large scale comparable to places that american liberals think of when you say "sex tourism" except that it has just never been held up as a systemic phenomenon because american liberals aren't interested, because cuba might as well be on the moon as far as they're concerned (if you can't spend money there, it doesn't really exist as a place on planet earth)
Then how the fuck does it exist? It's doubtful that Cuba has anywhere near the amount of prostitution as places where prostitution is legal, and where sex tourism is sanctioned
