Ironicwarcriminal posted:

'The World' is not a thing that fights, nor does it have a consciousness nor can it have one. Maybe this shit was groundbreaking at the time but so was Disco and I don't see twenty-somethings in flares.

the world broke iwc's heart so there is no struggle left for workers. truly it's the marxist who is most narrow-minded i think i'll go examine the wings of a monarch butterfly

SariBari posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

'The World' is not a thing that fights, nor does it have a consciousness nor can it have one. Maybe this shit was groundbreaking at the time but so was Disco and I don't see twenty-somethings in flares.



the world broke iwc's heart so there is no struggle left for workers. truly it's the marxist who is most narrow-minded i think i'll go examine the wings of a monarch butterfly

Oh so that's what the 'we' meant, I didn't know Marx was a worker!

gyrofry posted:

Asking for a friend

I dont have rational self-interest

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Shitting out butts is about the only real universal experience amongst humans, and even if you got 7 billion people to broadly agree on social and political issues, you're still trillions of brains short of something that could even begin to conceivably be termed a global consciousness.

A fantasy enabled by the strange and bittersweet gift of language, that's all.

dont forget Orgasm

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

SariBari posted:

Hence, nothing prevents us from making criticism of politics, participation in politics, and therefore real struggles, the starting point of our criticism, and from identifying our criticism with them. In that case we do not confront the world in a doctrinaire way with a new principle: Here is the truth, kneel down before it! We develop new principles for the world out of the world’s own principles. We do not say to the world: Cease your struggles, they are foolish; we will give you the true slogan of struggle. We merely show the world what it is really fighting for, and consciousness is something that it has to acquire, even if it does not want to

This used to strike me as rousing and powerful but now I read it and just read bluster and rhetoric, the sort of long-winded graceless rant an ubernerd in a gaming session would employ to try and get mana points or whatever the fuck they play for. He even basically says 'I'm going to show them all!" in that bitter geek way.

We merely show the world what it is really fighting for, and consciousness is something that it has to acquire, even if it does not want to

'The World' is not a thing that fights, nor does it have a consciousness nor can it have one. Maybe this shit was groundbreaking at the time but so was Disco and I don't see twenty-somethings in flares.

he wrote it in 1843 i think so thats before he got Shocked To Shit by 1848

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Shitting out butts is about the only real universal experience amongst humans

actually i think you'll find that many humans have missing intestines and are attached to machines and dont even shit out their butt at all. stop erasing them

roseweird posted:

jools posted:

ChairmanMao posted:

i suggest everone in LF take a microbiology/anatomy course

if you are not filled with a sense of awe at the intricate complexities of the molecular dance that create us, billions of perfectly-timed reactions and counterreactions that result in you, you, a human being with ideas and cares and shitty posts and farts and strange worries then you have no poetry in your soul

bORING!

that is good advice but years ago i registered for a biology class at public university and the lecturer threw in constant atheist propaganda in the lectures, babbling about how wonderful it was to have science instead of stupid myths, just here and there, in between diagramming protein synthesis pathways, "here is how glutamate is formed and this slide is a page from a comic book i drew about the final undeniable death of god once and forever fuck all u sheeple"

that kind of owns

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

I'm not gonna diss Marx for all the great thinking he did do but come on that shit reads like a bad fantasy novel

the sweetest thing to me is that i simply posted wrt your kumbayah broment (that's when a bro is having a moment) about politics being yucky for life. shit all of this shit out of your butt, ya cynic. let it all out.

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

it's rather telling that nobody has posted 'none'

I can't believe i used to look down my nose at people who refused to engage with or study politics and current affairs. What good does it do knowing of the constant lies, betrayal and conflict? So you can be outraged? depressed? cynical? sarcastic? So you can spend your life participating in mass delusional fantasies like 'History' or 'the Workers of the World' or any other God-substitute for people who think they're too smart to go to church.

It's so incredibly narcissistic, this pretension that the affairs of men have more nobility or legitimacy than a lion killing a zebra, or that the beauty of the Library of Alexandria was 1/10th that of a single lick of the flames that consumed it.

The happiest people i've ever met in my life have one thing in common: they couldn't give two figs about the nerd-death-cult that is politics.

politics is for perverts and losers

drwhat posted:

i sort of understand iwc's post. rhizzone is my only "engagement" with politics now, i gave up on the rest of it

but i still have a whole pile of shit to say about it if i end up in a conversation about it. i just have set my expectations to zero

got any pussy eating tips

swampman posted:

babyfinland posted:

got any pussy eating tips

step one, search the globe for a woman who can tolerate your presence

youre still here darling

tpaine posted:

the extinction of the human race isn't necessarily morally good or bad but should be urged regardless because it is objectively what we deserve

whatever clarence

daddyholes posted:

anyone who gives an answer that doesn't involve direct family ties is wrong

Directing an episode of Family Ties, DEFINITELY on my political bucket list (thx 4 the reminder)

tpaine posted:

the idea that human civilization can potentially be saved or should potentially be saved is a product of social isolation, a wddp-like belief in the goodness of people which is a shot in a dark of one's own habitually habitated room and inevitably the product of a lack of familiarity with exactly what kind of unspeakable garbage constitutes the majority of the homo sapien biomass. be out among the people everyday and understand their failures

Hope for human salvation goes back a little deeper than that.

Out among the people, one sees souls in need of redemption. A grand opportunity