Lykourgos posted:prikryl posted:Illinois:
The Governor of Illinois is jogging with his dog along a nature
trail. A coyote jumps out and attacks the Governor's dog, then bites
the Governor.More evidence of the terrible effects that shitty, improperly supervised, hysterical mass media has on the US mind. The common man has no basis to begin analyzing politics, the media has no place creating stories and illusions that make people think the illinois wisconsin notion is reasonable.
Scenario C)
The Governor of Wisconsin is jogging with his dog along a nature trail. A coyote jumps out and attacks the Governor's dog. Suddenly, the two canines correctly recognize their common heritage and shared goals; the coyote ceases his misguided initial attack, and the dog, now seeing his leash-holding oppressor for what he truly is, joins the coyote in attacking and mauling to the death the Governor, saving taxpayers $144,423 a year
The disintegration of the Ottoman Empire in the nineteenth century is a very complex history unless you actually believe that the West's view of the "Sick Man of Europe" and competing interests between the Frogs/Brits/Ruskies in the region were the over-determining factors.
And this justifies population control and cultural imperialism how? Ataturk actually believed that Turkey was the "sick man of Europe", which is why he implemented liberal reforms.
mustang posted:lol, as if that isn't in colonial interests. and what does ataturk have to do with the ottoman empire there?
Do you, like, not know who Ataturk was or something?
It's also interesting that you brought up wahabbism because Islamists allied with Hitler during World War II to throw off British colonialism. Another uncomfortable fact for the first world, secular Left is that Hitler is adored in the Middle East to this day.
...which ended up being in the interests of the USA, lol
mustang posted:The disintegration of the Ottoman Empire in the nineteenth century is a very complex history unless you actually believe that the West's view of the "Sick Man of Europe" and competing interests between the Frogs/Brits/Ruskies in the region were the over-determining factors.
And this justifies population control and cultural imperialism how? Ataturk actually believed that Turkey was the "sick man of Europe", which is why he implemented liberal reforms.
again, what does this have to do with the decidedly more liberal islam practiced in the ottoman empire long before that
mustang posted:The disintegration of the Ottoman Empire in the nineteenth century is a very complex history unless you actually believe that the West's view of the "Sick Man of Europe" and competing interests between the Frogs/Brits/Ruskies in the region were the over-determining factors.
And this justifies population control and cultural imperialism how? Ataturk actually believed that Turkey was the "sick man of Europe", which is why he implemented liberal reforms.
I'm gonna blow your mind... but while the Ottomans lost Greece and had Egypt taken over by an Albanian soldier of fortune, the sublime porte began issuing limited liberal reforms.
codywilson posted:Israel has admitted for the first time that it has been giving Ethiopian Jewish immigrants birth-control injections, often without their knowledge or consent.
something a little more recent. Jews are eliminating black Jews.
lol remember when i said that Zionism was nothing more than a more insidious, elevated, and culturally accepted form of White Supremacism and a bunch of jews were like "no it isnt"
jools posted:mustang posted:The disintegration of the Ottoman Empire in the nineteenth century is a very complex history unless you actually believe that the West's view of the "Sick Man of Europe" and competing interests between the Frogs/Brits/Ruskies in the region were the over-determining factors.
And this justifies population control and cultural imperialism how? Ataturk actually believed that Turkey was the "sick man of Europe", which is why he implemented liberal reforms.
again, what does this have to do with the decidedly more liberal islam practiced in the ottoman empire long before that
What does it have to do with Turkey's past? The creeping liberalism and western values of the empire led to its downfall.
fact is that draconian restrictions on birth control and abortion are as bad as forced birth control and abortions.
mustang posted:jools posted:mustang posted:The disintegration of the Ottoman Empire in the nineteenth century is a very complex history unless you actually believe that the West's view of the "Sick Man of Europe" and competing interests between the Frogs/Brits/Ruskies in the region were the over-determining factors.
And this justifies population control and cultural imperialism how? Ataturk actually believed that Turkey was the "sick man of Europe", which is why he implemented liberal reforms.
again, what does this have to do with the decidedly more liberal islam practiced in the ottoman empire long before that
What does it have to do with Turkey's past? The creeping liberalism and western values of the empire led to its downfall.
That or it could be due to a lack of a strong centralized government, dependence on mercenary armies, a tenuous control of territories farther than 200 miles away from turkey, a fickle janissary corps, taxation policies that would put 18th century French tax farms to shame...
HenryKrinkle posted:fact is that draconian restrictions on birth control and abortion are as bad as forced birth control and abortions.
yeah i think the obvious common thread here is that social programs carried out without the knowledge or consent of the people involved are pretty harmful regardless of your views on how much time a woman should spend in the kitchen each day
Lykourgos posted:But sparta... and modern china... not every country that institutes population/birth control measures is bad or doing something wrong...
yeah, i guess societies selecting the best of their population through eugenics might be considered, by some, to be beneficial. but I think the point here is that it's bad when it's used by the white/dominant race to keep other people/ethnicities subordinated. In fact, thats like the definition of racism.
i agree that "population control" is creepy and reeks of malthusianism & eugenics but that's no reason to cut funding for voluntary reproductive health care services in the Third World.
Those "reproductive health services" are not truly voluntary when they come attached with vouchers and food handouts that are conditional on limiting family size.
Even leftists don't want that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_cash_transfer
https://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/07/09-4
These fears are justified. The Gates initiative focuses on India, for example, where the government’s family planning program, supported by international donors including the U.K. government, is forcibly sterilizing poor women from disadvantaged communities, especially in the states of Bihar and Madhya Pradesh. An April 15 expose in the London Observer describes cases of pregnant women being sterilized and bleeding to death after miscarrying. While donors are not directly implicated in these practices, their failure to adequately monitor how their funds are used contributes to the abuse.
A certain political blindness is at work in the Gates initiative. The assumption is that you can just pour in money and contraceptives to health and family programs that already discriminate against the poor and miraculously they will turn around and help women. Add to this the imperative to drive down birthrates and you get a recipe for coercion.
But coercion is not the only problem. Another serious concern is which contraceptives Gates and its associates are pushing, and why. Even when population programs don’t employ force, they often limit contraceptive choice to long-acting methods like injectables and implants that are viewed as more effective in preventing pregnancy and hence reducing population growth. What is the safest and most appropriate method for the individual woman is simply not the priority.
The hormonal injectable Depo Provera is a case in point. For over a decade now, studies have pointed to a possible link between Depo Provera use and increased risk of acquiring HIV, the virus that leads to AIDS. In October 2011 the British medical journal, The Lancet, published the results of a study which found that Depo may double the risk of women and their male partners acquiring HIV. The study sent shock waves through the international population community, since Depo Provera is their method of choice for Africa.
Precaution would dictate that Depo be phased out in populations at high risk of AIDS, but instead the World Health Organization has thrown caution to the wind. At a meeting in February the WHO decided to continue its “no restrictions” policy on the use of hormonal contraception, only adding the stipulation that women on injectables like Depo also use condoms to prevent HIV infection. Present at the meeting was only one HIV-positive woman from Africa.
"Effectiveness of aid" in family planning means denying food to anyone who doesn't comply with family planning policies. This is not merely individual abortion and contraception, it's a systematic attempt to reduce Third World populations.
No friends, either. Dont forget that. No... Friends...
Come on, you can participate in the discussion. Leftists aren't supposed to be cynical.
mustang posted:No friends, either. Dont forget that. No... Friends...
Come on, you can participate in the discussion. Leftists aren't supposed to be cynical.
A job. Go get one. Fill out an application. Polish your resume.
fact is that draconian restrictions on birth control and abortion are as bad as forced birth control and abortions.
They're substantially better, even from a left point of view, because the latter is a vehicle for colonialism.
High birth rates, on the other hand, 1) reduce economic growth (and we agree economic growth is bad because it increases First World surplus value), 2) exacerbate the contradictions of capitalism, and 3) strengthen the ability of the Third World to defend itself militarily.
This is true both within and across countries, which is why black family planning is promoted in AmeriKKKa as both a domestic and a foreign policy.
jools posted:lol, mustang is CIA
Thats true, i saw the alex jones tweet
jools posted:lol, mustang is CIA
more like FTW.
hahaha mustang is cia! mustang is cia! mustang is cia! he's promoting all this shit which is in the interests of america's imperial plan for africa, as opposed to china's approach
Actually you're supporting family planning which is a major US foreign policy objective, but whatever.
mustang posted:hahaha mustang is cia! mustang is cia! mustang is cia! he's promoting all this shit which is in the interests of america's imperial plan for africa, as opposed to china's approach
Actually you're supporting family planning which is a major US foreign policy objective, but whatever.
yeah it's right up there with undermining african unity by deposing gaddafi and opening syria to gulf markets. these are all definitely major US foreign policy objectives.
yeah it's right up there with undermining african unity by deposing gaddafi and opening syria to gulf markets. these are all definitely major US foreign policy objectives.
But family planning is one foreign policy that actually succeeded and didn't backfire.
live footage of US foreign policy in action
Yep, keep running along side USAID and supporting its depopulation programs.
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mustang posted:live footage of US foreign policy in action
Yep, keep running along side USAID and supporting its depopulation programs.
are you really going to deny that Kate Bush is part of the US program of cultural imperialism, replacing traditional forms of music with mass-produced White "progressive" liberal poison? some anti-imperialist you are
Lykourgos posted:The masses cannot form a revolutionary class, they aren't capable of it. There are only varying degrees of discontent. High ideals and grand plans are imposed by an orderly class of gentlemen. Without that latter class you have a chaotic mess waiting for leadership and vision. Sorry about your communisms; righteousness is in the party, in a closed and orderly society of sages, not the average peasant or some random internet baby.
shut the fuck up
are you really going to deny that Kate Bush is part of the US program of cultural imperialism, replacing traditional forms of music with mass-produced White "progressive" liberal poison? some anti-imperialist you are
Who is Kate Bush? And why are you arguing that Gore would be a better president, what kind of reformism is that?
To clarify, when I said this forum is incubating radical leftism, what I meant is that today's "radical left" youth will be the Democratic Party voters of tomorrow. They will mouth Marxism for others while practicing liberalism for themselves.
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-4/mswv4_70.htm
It is a very good thing that China has a big population. Even if China's population multiplies many times, she is fully capable of finding a solution; the solution is production. The absurd argument of Western bourgeois economists like Malthus that increases in food cannot keep pace with increases in population was not only thoroughly refuted in theory by Marxists long ago, but has also been completely exploded by the realities in the Soviet Union and the Liberated Areas of China after their revolutions. Basing itself on the truth that revolution plus production can solve the problem of feeding the population, the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China has issued orders to Party organizations and the People's Liberation Army throughout the country not to dismiss but to retain all former Kuomintang personnel, provided they can make themselves useful and are not confirmed reactionaries or notorious scoundrels. Where things are very difficult, food and housing will be shared. Those who have been dismissed and have no means of support will be reinstated and provided with a living. According to the same principle, we shall maintain all Kuomintang soldiers who have revolted and come over to us or been captured. All reactionaries, except the major culprits, will be given a chance to earn their living, provided they show repentance.
Of all things in the world, people are the most precious. Under the leadership of the Communist Party, as long as there are people, every kind of miracle can be performed. We are refuters of Acheson's counter-revolutionary theory. We believe that revolution can change everything, and that before long there will arise a new China with a big population and a great wealth of products, where life will be abundant and culture will flourish. All pessimistic views are utterly groundless.