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roseweird posted:

babyfinland posted:

are you sure y ou didnt once call the ADL on me

do you think we'd make a good vaudeville team



maybe, how do you envision this

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babyfinland posted:

FROM PAGE 3 OF EPIC LONG HARD TO READ THING UNGHGHH

In what follows I want to examine the ways in which the thcoretical search for an essencc of religion invites us to separatc it conceptually from the domain of power. I shall do this by exploring a universalist definition of religion offered by an eminent anthropologist: Clifford Geertz's "Religion as a Cultural System" Ireprinted in his widely acclaimed The Inter/JretatiOll of Cultures (1973)). I stress that this is not primarily a critical review of Geertz's ideas on religion - if that had been m}" aim I would have addresscd myself to thc entire corpus of his writings on religion in Indonesia and 1,.,lorocco. My intention in this chaptcr is to try to identify some of the historical shifts that have produccd our concept of religion as the concept of a rranshistorical essence - and Gecrtz's articlc is merely my starting point.

It is part of my basic argument that socially identifiablc forms, prcconditions, and effects of what \vas regarded as religion in the medieval Christian epoch were quitc different from (hose so considered in modern society. I want to get at this well-known fact while trying to avoid a simple nominalism. What we call religious powcr was differcntly distributed and had a different thrust. Therc were different ways in which it created and worked through legal institutions, differcnt selvcs that it shaped and responded to, and different categories of know- Icdge which it authorized and made available. Ne\'crrheless, what thc anthropolo· gist is confronted with, as a consequence, is not merely an arbitrary collection of elements and processes that we happen [0 call "religion." For thc entire phcnom- enon is to be seen in large measure in the context of Christian attcmpts to achieve a coherence in doctrincs and practices, rules and regulations, even if that was a state never fully arr.lined. My argument is that thcre cannot be a universal definition of rcligion, not only because its constituent elements and relationships arc historically specific, but because that definition is itself the historical product of discursivc processes.

A universal (i.e., anthropological) definition is, however, precisely what Geenz aims at: A religion, hc proposes, is "( I) a system of symbols which act to (2) establish powerful, pervasive, and long-lasting moods and motivations in mcn hy (3) fomm· lating conceptions of a general order of existence and (4) clothing these conceptions with such an aura of factuality that (5) the moods and motivations seem uniquely realistic" (90). In what follows I shall cxamine this definition, not only in order to test its interlinked assertions, but also to flesh out thc counterclaim that a transhis· torical definition of religion is nO( viable:.



http://www.iupui.edu/~womrel/Rel433%20Readings/01_SearchableTextFiles/Asad_ConstructionOfReligionAnthroCategory.pdf



please note that the spelling here is not OCR errors or typos. this is actually how you talk after spending an entire career pickling your brain in caustic pomo sludge

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roseweird posted:

sounds promising, i'm sure i will find it very incisive, geertz is very problematic. however i am already interested in mounting this critique, and i am trying to describe religion as an operation of power and related to moral demands of and on power, not as something separate from power. thanks for the recommendation, but perhaps you could be more polite next time



im a psychotic cunt but dont take it personal. people dont work hard enough or take the appropriate things seriously enough and it drives me nuts. if we all used our neuroses and depression as fuel for workaholism on serious issues rather than bloviating about nonsense the world would be better

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i was saying jews because you were establishing grounds for antisemitism btw not just calling you a jew
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YOU DONT SAY
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Jews are a race, not a religion, folks. Let's keep it civil.
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roseweird posted:

ok tom, i'm sorry i have not yet read your favorite author and cannot provide an easily digestible and totally not-self-contradictory definition of religion for you, something i am sure talal asad has admirably achieved in his books, solving this ancient problem once and for all. i know you think you're super legit because you Converted To Islam and i'm An Evil Jew but you can't seem to actually have a conversation about this. i will read talal asad and i'm sure i will find him enlightening and interesting and you will still be wrong and grumpy and calling people "cocksucker" on the internet

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Lessons posted:




hipsters in redneck legislature pass ironic anti-abortion bill as rider inside anti-sharia law legislation:

http://www.wral.com/senate-tacks-sweeping-abortion-legislation-onto-sharia-law-bill/12621503/

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MUSTANG!

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Lessons posted:

i read foucaults pendulum

same

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the lion asad
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tpaine posted:

i sometimes forget it's fashionable to tolerate religion among whatever irrelevant and hopeless sect constitutes the modern left and it's one of the main reasons we'll never get anything done


I got that on a tshirt somewhere

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"Procrastinators of the world unite, tomorrow!" It's good for a chuckle maybe one out of every fifteen times it's worn.
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