Goethestein posted:
Whatever you did must have been pretty awful but also embarrassing enough to not want to talk about it on an internet forum. Suicide attempt is out, as is gayness and most crimes. If it was for no reason the unjustness of itthe would have been stated upfront. Personally I'm betting on incest

shut up

dm posted:
Ok, so apparently there might be some at least quasi-predatory shit going on with targeting "Survivors" but I don't know yet.

Are you talking about a smear campaign against those that have gone through the programs?

tpaine posted:

cleanhands posted:
if you enjoy fucked up stories about real lives being senselessly ruined by corporations with political connections then youll love the wddp-lf thread

like when I saw the thread title i thought it would be english boarding school stories, but its ten times worse than even that miserable enclave of upper class child abuse

ilu dm keep makin cool posts on here and the 'deep

i keep trying to register at the 'dp under names like Gummi Wyrm and Beach Baal and Fruit Paunch but my accounts are always rejected with the message "horny in pantys - m4m" ??? really weird but i'll keep trying.

you need to be vouched for now (im not doing it lol)

cleanhands posted:
from what i saw in the lf thread it was just one moron with an anarchist av who was trying to be in charge of the discussion despite knowing shit-all, lf gets Mad about that sort of thing to a fault usually so idk why their privilege-dar didnt go off this time

actually under the lf understanding of Privilege no one who hasn't been in one of these places has the Oppression Credentials to lambast zero

Our main job is to maintain our wiki database. All to often a young person enters the adulthood with a story which most people would not believe to have taken place in this millennium. However, our mission is to make the world aware that such suffering do exist. Institutionalized child abuse is sadly a fact. Our society needs to take action before the future generations are destroyed in such re-education programs.

Our mission is also to unite survivors, so they can meat other survivors. No one should cope with the psychological ordeal from the programs on their own.

I don't like the term "survivor" because even getting rid of these places won't fix the incredible range of underlying social conditions that give rise to them, but it pops up a lot and they mean really well, so I'm not going to complain too much. It would be a huge mistake to think that people just go and do that stuff on their own. You might even know people that have managed better than some of the others personally and they're afraid to tell you.

There is nobody waiting to explain what happened when you leave and you are quite rightly convinced that nobody will believe you or care about it. You are all pretty exceptional in that respect, so thanks.

One of the other things I'm supposed to be embarrassed about is that my high school diploma is actually a piece of paper from this place backed by a GED. Some things I've been a little guarded about might make a little bit more sense now.

Anyways here is more of the horrifying stuff that needs to be said, but hopefully presented in a way that doesn't make it sort of pornographic. The tone is because it was originally posted on some other place that nobody here probably reads:

Hurricane_Faggot posted:

dm posted:
Ok, so apparently there might be some at least quasi-predatory shit going on with targeting "Survivors" but I don't know yet.

Are you talking about a smear campaign against those that have gone through the programs?

Yeah, maybe more, idk. There's a lot of stuff to deal with.

jools posted:

cleanhands posted:
from what i saw in the lf thread it was just one moron with an anarchist av who was trying to be in charge of the discussion despite knowing shit-all, lf gets Mad about that sort of thing to a fault usually so idk why their privilege-dar didnt go off this time

actually under the lf understanding of Privilege no one who hasn't been in one of these places has the Oppression Credentials to lambast zero

Yeah don't do this or I will start comparing it to sin eating as I go through more of the stuff. I do have discretion in how I explain it even if the outcome will be the same. I'll re-post what I said in another context:

It's not something I use as a greeting. It's not something I put on job applications. I don't joke about it to make friends. I don't whisper it into the ear of a lover to show how much I care.

My jokes about are a coping thing. No it's not creepy if it makes you want to talk to me about something because you think I'd understand. I would be happy to as long as your decision is carefully considered and it's not literally the only reason you want to talk to me (being afraid that nobody will believe you is an acceptable reason).

discipline posted:
I'm watching a doc on cedu and the "raps" part really reminds me of some other online interactions I've been subject to...

Good.

Edited by dm (Feb. 21, 2012 03:45:57)

Although using different symbolic tools, much the same sense of apartness, of not belonging, emerged in other cultures to differentiate the genuine slave from other forms of involuntary servants over whom almost total power was exercised. Yet the natal alienation of the slave was not necessarily expressed in religious, racial, or even ethnic terms. Among primitives, as we shall see, alienation from one's natal ties was all that was necessary. Sometimes law alone, superimposed on the slave's sense of not belonging, was sufficient. Indeed, it was Moses Finley, drawing on the Greco-Roman experience, who was among the first to emphasize what he called the "outsider" status of the slave as a critical attribute of his condition? He did not make the mistake that Henri Levi-Bruhl had earlier made, of generalizing from the Roman experience to the conclusion that the social alienation of the slave was necessarily an ethnic one. Insofar as Roman slaves were foreigners, Finley argued, they were outsiders twice over, clearly allowing for the reduction of locally recruited slaves to the status of outsiders.

I prefer the term "natal alienation," because it goes directly to the heart of what is critical in the slave's forced alienation, the loss of ties of birth in both ascending and descending generations. It also has the important nuance of a loss of native status, of deracination. It was this alienation of the slave from all formal, legally enforceable ties of "blood," and from any attachment to groups or localities other than those chosen for him by the master, that gave the relation of slavery its peculiar value to the master. The slave was the ultimate human tool, as imprintable and as disposable as the master wished. And this is true, at least in theory, of all slaves, no matter how elevated. Paul Rycaut's classic description of the lanissaries as men whom their master, the sultan, "can raise without Envy and destroy without Danger, holds true for all slaves in all times.

The incapacity to make any claims of birth or to pass on such claims is considered a natural injustice among all peoples, so that those who were obliged to suffer it had to be regarded as somehow socially dead. Callicles in Plato's Gorgias goes to the heart of the matter when he says:

By the rule of nature, to suffer injustice is the greater disgrace because the greater evil; but conventionally to do evil is the more disgraceful. For the suffering of injustice is not the part of a man, but of a slave, who indeed had better die than live; since when he is wronged and trampled upon, he is unable to help himself, or any other about whom he cares.

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Human beings have always found naked force or coercion a rather messy, if not downright ugly, business, however necessary. As Niccolo Machiavelli observed, it is the "beastly" part of power. The problem has always been to find some way to clothe its beastliness, some idiom through which it can be made immediately palatable to those who exercise it. By the idiom of power I mean the principal way in which power is immediately interpreted in socially and cognitively acceptable terms. It is the way in which power is most meaningfully presented to, and understood by, those who wield it and by the members of their community. It is not necessarily a form of mystification, although one form of it certainly is. In most preindustrial societies individuals are usually fully aware of what it stands for. Nor is the idiom a form of legitimation, although it paves the way for it.

The idiom of power has two aspects--one purely social, the other conceptual. To begin with the social aspect, in the course of human history there have been two polar extremes in the idiomatic handling of the coercive aspect of power. One has been the tendency to acknowledge human force openly, then to humanize it by the use of various social strategies such as fictive kinship, clientship, and asymmetric gift exchanges. The other extreme has been the method of concealment, in which coercion is almost completely hidden or thoroughly denied. Indeed, it is even presented as the direct opposite of what it is, being interpreted as a kind of freedom.