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Just admit that the market serves class interests, and rightly so, because this cradle earth was never built to cage six billion babies, and resource consolidation in the hands of the few is the only way capital-h Humanity can survive the century, and even if capitalism caused this very problem through its past history, that's immaterial now - it's the only force that can save us from itself
#42
Dont Mess With Sucess
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Or haow about the effort required to destroy capitalism outweighs the reward for getting rid of it
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discipline posted:

well did you see the part about idle finance capital, that's all the ideology you need

swampman posted:



man that's depressing, in the very least because we're fucked for options. very true though

but can you really say that it'll save us from itself? can the problem be its own solution?

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anyway, good night, i'll do the market proud tomorrow thanks to y'all
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the market makes you gay
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Mr_Asia_Man posted:

anyway, good night, i'll do the market proud tomorrow thanks to y'all



i'd like to kiss you goodbye...

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tpaine posted:

this pic should just be paris hilton LOL



LOL indeed, stephen, LOL indeed. i had the same expression on my face when i plowed your mom and gave you your downs syndrome half-brother because she couldn't stop drinking while contemplating about what a failure you turned out to be

#49
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the markets serve class interests and that's a good thing because the lower classes are so disorganized they can't even fuck off without direction and would probably still do a bad job
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Dont Mess With Sucess
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Mr_Asia_Man posted:

man that's depressing, in the very least because we're fucked for options. very true though

but can you really say that it'll save us from itself? can the problem be its own solution?

well i actually dont believe those posts i made, in fact I believe the only thing that can save us from capitalism is yes, destroying it, probably a lot of deaths, probably mine, but you can just say the "problem" of global collapse is insoluble, this focus on us being "saved" is idle fantasy, and what people really mean by that is "can we destroy capitalism while preserving our way of life?" of course not. the only way we can be "saved" if that's what we want is to ensure that some humans will last beyond global collapse, and capitalism does provide a select few people with a lifeboat.

#51
Mike Nelson here.
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discipline posted:

lol if you think the market is essential to development rather than in service to class interests just take a gander at what happened to the former soviet union w/r/t privatization

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participation in international markets was essential to the development of the socialist states so...
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discipline posted:

how so



americans invested a lot in soviet development programs and the soviets depended on trade with germans and americans and such to get off the ground.

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/index.html

this is a silly book but it has a lot of good information in it, also the same author wrote three volumes looking at the employment of western technology in soviet economic development

EDIT: not only that but you have to consider what the soviets did once they achieved superpower status, their colonial policies in the satellite states and so on. you can define that as non-market activity i guess but that's sort of the same pedantic game that's going on in the ussr thread, which is probably where this discussion should go

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Mike Nelson here.
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Lessons posted:

he's not exactly anti-capitalist but ha-joon chang would be a really good place to start if you want an easy-to-explain critique of free market dogma. good luck.

by not exactly anti-capitalist you mean he endorses capitalism and says that socialism was a clusterfuck, as, of course, all prominent economists believe.

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YUNG JIRO AKA SHOWA STUNNA AKA
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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_name_of_the_song_that_neo_listen_in_the_first_the_matrix_movie_and_trinity_wrote_to_him_follow_the_white_rabbit
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discipline posted:

ha joon chang is a neo-listian which is like a fascist basically AHAHAAHHA



but whats the catch

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Mike Nelson here.
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neo-listian economics isn't fascist.
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getfiscal posted:

neo-listian economics isn't fascist.



ah there's the catch

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Mike Nelson here.
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discipline posted:

wow... *balls up brain and throws it in the trash can* ahahah WOW... what a waste.......

don't be so hard on yourself.

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discipline posted:

ha joon chang is a neo-listian which is like a fascist basically AHAHAAHHA



List was right tho............

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WELP We lost the debate, a victory for humanity I guess

both sides claimed micro credit, they said it was a solution to the market and we said it was a market solution and everyone quietly ignored that it's fucking terrible
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Mr_Asia_Man posted:

WELP We lost the debate, a victory for humanity I guess

both sides claimed micro credit, they said it was a solution to the market and we said it was a market solution and everyone quietly ignored that it's fucking terrible



ive accidently inputted the coordinates of your classroom into a predator drone and sent it on a mission for your next scheduled class meeting. this is your first and only legally-mandated warning from the government of america (CIA)

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babyfinland posted:

Mr_Asia_Man posted:

WELP We lost the debate, a victory for humanity I guess

both sides claimed micro credit, they said it was a solution to the market and we said it was a market solution and everyone quietly ignored that it's fucking terrible

ive accidently inputted the coordinates of your classroom into a predator drone and sent it on a mission for your next scheduled class meeting. this is your first and only legally-mandated warning from the government of america (CIA)



i'm glad you get to post from your remote death trailer, good to know that you guys are comfortable

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discipline posted:




this is pretty good and close with those ideas i've been trying to develop. i always think of that arrow as Janus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_year

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tardy on these heaters
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is that from marcuse
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lol
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discipline posted:

ha joon chang is a neo-listian which is like a fascist basically AHAHAAHHA



no it's not! you should try reading List sometime unless your professors will give you shit for citing it or w/e

http://archive.org/details/nationalsystemof00listrich

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babyfinland posted:

Mr_Asia_Man posted:

WELP We lost the debate, a victory for humanity I guess

both sides claimed micro credit, they said it was a solution to the market and we said it was a market solution and everyone quietly ignored that it's fucking terrible

ive accidently inputted the coordinates of your classroom into a predator drone and sent it on a mission for your next scheduled class meeting. this is your first and only legally-mandated warning from the government of america (CIA)



CIA already stirring up trouble ahead of the drone strike i see

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im sure its not hard to assume a burkean ideological standpoint from which to mount a moral defence of the market, what you need theory for dog
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discipline posted:

ha joon chang is a neo-listian which is like a fascist basically AHAHAAHHA

ha joon chang is cool + cute

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Dont Mess With Sucess
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Mr_Asia_Man posted:

both sides claimed micro credit

lmao

#77
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That is really facking sad
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swampman posted:

That is really facking sad



Yeah it's pretty depressing that it's the only alternative that development students can up with. another dude mentioned "investing in institutions" but didn't elaborate at all. sigh

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Mr_Asia_Man posted:

Yeah it's pretty depressing that it's the only alternative that development students can up with. another dude mentioned "investing in institutions" but didn't elaborate at all. sigh


like the IMF?

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lies half the time
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in the end the entire class argued that the free market spurs development in places free markets have perpetually underdeveloped