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I can't believe the Guardian published this lol. Brits still astonish me with their capacity to be so casually cruel.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/13/julie-burchill-suzanne-moore-transsexuals?commentpage=3

The brilliant writer Suzanne Moore and I go back a long way. I first met her when she was a young single mother living in a council flat; she took me out to interview me about my novel Ambition (republished by Corvus Books this spring, since you ask) for dear dead City Limits magazine. "I've got an entertaining budget of £12.50!" she said proudly. "Sod that, we're having lobster and champagne at Frederick's and I'm paying," I told her. Half a bottle of Bolly later, she looked at me with faraway eyes: "Ooo, I could get to like this…" And so she did.

I have observed her rise to the forefront of this country's great polemicists with a whole lot of pride – and just a tiny bit of envy. I am godmother to her three brilliant, beautiful daughters. Though we differ on certain issues we will have each other's backs until the sacred cows come home.

With this in mind, I was incredulous to read that my friend was being monstered on Twitter, to the extent that she had quit it, for supposedly picking on a minority – transsexuals. Though I imagine it to be something akin to being savaged by a dead sheep, as Denis Healey had it of Geoffrey Howe, I nevertheless felt indignant that a woman of such style and substance should be driven from her chosen mode of time-wasting by a bunch of dicks in chicks' clothing.

To my mind – I have given cool-headed consideration to the matter – a gaggle of transsexuals telling Suzanne Moore how to write looks a lot like how I'd imagine the Black and White Minstrels telling Usain Bolt how to run would look. That rude and ridic.

Here's what happened. In a book of essays called Red: The Waterstones Anthology, Suzanne contributed a piece about women's anger. She wrote that, among other things, women were angry about "not having the ideal body shape – that of a Brazilian transsexual". Rather than join her in decrying the idea that every broad should aim to look like an oven-ready porn star, the very vociferous transsexual lobby and their grim groupies picked on the messenger instead.

I must say that my only experience of the trans lobby thus far was hearing about the vile way they have persecuted another of my friends, the veteran women's rights and anti-domestic violence activist Julie Bindel – picketing events where she is speaking about such minor issues as the rape of children and the trafficking of women just because she refuses to accept that their relationship with their phantom limb is the most pressing problem that women – real and imagined – are facing right now.

Similarly, Suzanne's original piece was about the real horror of the bigger picture – how the savagery of a few old Etonians is having real, ruinous effects on the lives of the weakest members of our society, many of whom happen to be women. The reaction of the trans lobby reminded me very much of those wretched inner-city kids who shoot another inner-city kid dead in a fast-food shop for not showing them enough "respect". Ignore the real enemy – they're strong and will need real effort and organisation to fight. How much easier to lash out at those who are conveniently close to hand!

But they'd rather argue over semantics. To be fair, after having one's nuts taken off (see what I did there?) by endless decades in academia, it's all most of them are fit to do. Educated beyond all common sense and honesty, it was a hoot to see the screaming mimis accuse Suze of white feminist privilege; it may have been this that made her finally respond in the subsequent salty language she employed to answer her Twitter critics: "People can just fuck off really. Cut their dicks off and be more feminist than me. Good for them."

She, the other JB and I are part of the minority of women of working-class origin to make it in what used to be called Fleet Street and I think this partly contributes to the stand-off with the trannies. (I know that's a wrong word, but having recently discovered that their lot describe born women as 'Cis' – sounds like syph, cyst, cistern; all nasty stuff – they're lucky I'm not calling them shemales. Or shims.) We know that everything we have we got for ourselves. We have no family money, no safety net. And we are damned if we are going to be accused of being privileged by a bunch of bed-wetters in bad wigs.

It's been noted before that cyberspace, though supposedly all new and shiny, is plagued by the age-old boredom of men telling women not to talk and threatening them with all kinds of nastiness if they persist in saying what they feel.

The trans lobby is now saying that it wasn't so much the initial piece as Suzanne's refusal to apologise when told to that "made" them drive her from Twitter. Presumably she is meant to do this in the name of solidarity and the "struggle", though I find it very hard to imagine this mob struggling with anything apart from the English language and the concept of free speech.

To have your cock cut off and then plead special privileges as women – above natural-born women, who don't know the meaning of suffering, apparently – is a bit like the old definition of chutzpah: the boy who killed his parents and then asked the jury for clemency on the grounds he was an orphan.

Shims, shemales, whatever you're calling yourselves these days – don't threaten or bully us lowly natural-born women, I warn you. We may not have as many lovely big swinging Phds as you, but we've experienced a lifetime of PMT and sexual harassment and many of us are now staring HRT and the menopause straight in the face – and still not flinching. Trust me, you ain't seen nothing yet. You really won't like us when we're angry.

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alan rusbridger, editor of the guardian, forced to give a response to someone called @piss_wizard. sometimes the world is ok
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A defender of Israel, The Jewish Chronicle described in 2008 as "Israel's staunchest supporter in the UK media"; she has two Israeli flags in her home, declaring in 2005, after Ariel Sharon's withdrawal of Israeli settlers from the Gaza Strip, that "Israel is the only country I would fucking die for. He's the enemy of the Jews. Chucking his own people off the Gaza; to me that's disgusting."
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iwc get on twitter you can insult public figures and they have to respond
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haha some guy in the comments for this piece said "surely all these moral guardians of twitter are the new Outraged of Tumbridge Wells"

i have a twitter account but i just can't really bring myself to use it, i have enough problems with permanently damanging my brain by looking at forums and news sites.
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orright i might tho
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there's quite a poignant comment under the story (it's got 800 comments in like 2 hours) from a woman saying she just wished all the other stories about the challenges faced by women got the same level of righteous outraged and a lack of trolling
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deadken posted:

A defender of Israel, The Jewish Chronicle described in 2008 as "Israel's staunchest supporter in the UK media"; she has two Israeli flags in her home, declaring in 2005, after Ariel Sharon's withdrawal of Israeli settlers from the Gaza Strip, that "Israel is the only country I would fucking die for. He's the enemy of the Jews. Chucking his own people off the Gaza; to me that's disgusting."

Israel Vows To Use Veto Power If Chuck Hagel Confirmed As U.S. Secretary Of Defense
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

orright i might tho



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more like transsexuals should cut it off XD


haha just a lil' bigoted joke for ya there for this, the renown hate site rhizzone
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people should not lash out at the mentally ill imo.
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obligatory tranny thread story

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bear in mind Julie butt hill is a short round dun haired lady with a slight lisp and the voice of a garden gnome on coke and helium
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the fuck is this

the fuck IS this?!

im actually upset right now. angry and confused
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im not sure i 'get' the intersectional argument that transwomen are, despite having been socialised male, entirely outside male privilege. whenever objections to this are brought up they tend to be dismissed out of hand rather than confronted. that said, burchill's article wasn't a feminist critique of intersectionality but a really weird attack on vulnerable people, written by a mad zionist, that includes the word 'ridic.' <--earnestpost
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Here's what happened. In a book of essays called Red: The Waterstones Anthology, Suzanne contributed a piece about women's anger. She wrote that, among other things, women were angry about "not having the ideal body shape – that of a Brazilian transsexual". Rather than join her in decrying the idea that every broad should aim to look like an oven-ready porn star, the very vociferous transsexual lobby and their grim groupies picked on the messenger instead.


isn't the so-called 'porn star look' really just an artifact of the 80s/90s? certainly the impression I've received from skimming many goatstein posts on the state of the industry is that today's porn carries a wide variety of women's appearances and body shapes (indeed far more so than is the case with male porn stars).

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wretched inner city kids
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gyrofry posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Here's what happened. In a book of essays called Red: The Waterstones Anthology, Suzanne contributed a piece about women's anger. She wrote that, among other things, women were angry about "not having the ideal body shape – that of a Brazilian transsexual". Rather than join her in decrying the idea that every broad should aim to look like an oven-ready porn star, the very vociferous transsexual lobby and their grim groupies picked on the messenger instead.

isn't the so-called 'porn star look' really just an artifact of the 80s/90s? certainly the impression I've received from skimming many goatstein posts on the state of the industry is that today's porn carries a wide variety of women's appearances and body shapes (indeed far more so than is the case with male porn stars).



only amateur porn really has a variety. most professional porn stars still have the bolt-ons and meth look

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(I know that's a wrong word, but having recently discovered that their lot describe born women as 'Cis' – sounds like syph, cyst, cistern; all nasty stuff



Really, when I hear it i, think of Sizzling

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forums poster "fire" says he literally wants to kill himself whenever he hears the term "land whale"
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this article is like if goatstein and khamsek had a child and raised it entirely on thomas friedman columns

also why are t he mods baby huey p newton and cyclone boy
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good article i agree with the OP
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GoldenLionTamarin posted:

this article is like if goatstein and khamsek had a child and raised it entirely on thomas friedman columns

also why are t he mods baby huey p newton and cyclone boy



because you didnt vote for me in the mod election. it's all your fault

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Liberal forums democracy is a sham. I propose we appoint leaders based on seniority and create a getfiscal dictatorship
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its just worrying that your first response to what amounts to a hate piece is worrying that the minority in question will fight back too hard. thats all