#681
yeah i took a look at goonreads the other day and you can see covers/titles of books and i clicked on a few that DIDNT look like zombie scifi, but even those were lol


1925 – the Great War is seven years over, but still it casts a long shadow over Britain. In the shadow, the mediums thrive, holding their seances for anyone who wants to talk to the dead – for a price. Spirit communication doesn’t come cheap and secrets and reputations are common currency. Following the death of his mother, musician Benjamin Brown is about the discover that doubt is considered nothing short of betrayal, and that keeping the secrets of the dead can be a very dangerous game.

Set in the murky, sexually-charged world of fraudulent spiritualists, Summerland explores the public and personal duel between belief and scepticism – a conflict respectively framed by the figures of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and Harry Houdini, and offers a fictionalised look at one of the strangest episodes in early 20th Century history – Harry Houdini’s ‘Own Secret Service.’


The average American encounters eight supernatural beings in a given week. 98% of these occurrences go unnoticed. One in fifty paranormal happenings are aggressive in nature, and of these, only 5% are ever reported. As an Analyst for the Department of Paranormal Study and Defense, Tom Bell’s job is to respond to that 5%.

After a routine arrest-and-exorcise op goes wrong, Tom finds himself having one hell of a week. What is the connection between the entity and rich paranormal broker Harold Saldana? Who is the seductive woman he meets at Mirror, Tokyo’s premier club for the professional possessed? Why is he having nightmares about a single tree in the desert?

And how much of this will matter when a horror from Tom’s past literally comes back to haunt him?



obviously i havent read these books, maybe the authors are very talented (they arent) but heres a promising looking title



In this collection of dark but humorous short stories, Anthony Wright weaves his past travels in Australia, South East Asia, Mexico, and Central America to create a lively pattern of outré tales, interlaced with the supernatural, in which the author’s outsider philosophy is central to the thread of existence.

yeah more supernatural bullshit but check out this review

In an extremely imaginative and well-written collection of vignettes from travels to adventurous non-tourist destinations, Australian Anthony Wright has invoked Burroughs, Bowles, Dostoyevsky, Kerouac, and even to some degree Joyce as he searches out the sacred and profane of contemporary society. Every bit as depraved and supernatural as Jonathan Lethem’s Fortress of Solitude, Wright’s Smoke Ghosts exposes the soft, desperate underbelly of humanity.

-Tom Hibbard, author and poet
#682
wait don't bother reading the above post, this says it all right here:

#683

Impper posted:

i like the story. there's a funny idea in there about going to the crowd and becoming whatever it is regardless of your intent. the switch in tones was hilarious, i thought, as far as it going from a folksy immigrant cheese story into a pair of bros following the energy and taking drugs. i found it hard to read the second part. it does need a line edit it seems, but i don't know why that would matter.

the dialog does need to be worked on. there's a certain kind of writing-realistic-dialog that is missing............ it's a difficult concept to explain, maybe. the goal in writing is never to get realistic dialog that might be heard in real life, but to be entirely what a person might say, stylised and compacted, and working perfectly. most of the time you have it but there r a lot of specific parts where it falls short



Yeah dis, thanks imps. Who would you say writes dialogue well in that sort of way? i wouldn't mind reading something to get a better idea of how dialogue plays out

Also when the cybercowboy from Alpha-Base 1 comes in it ties the whole thing together

"101010101010 howdy" he exclaimed westernly from his space-steed"

#684
i can never think of anything i've read anymore. i been reading beckett forever... the dialog in the second half of Molloy is really good, if i remember right. it is compact and absolutely perfect, but it couldn't be said at all to be a dialog heavy book. let me try to think about it... i'm 100% sure i've read things recently with good longform dialog
#685
i might have recommended this before, it is a very light elegant funny read that is meant to be entirely speech (not so much dialog but a similar thing), and she pulls a lot of funny little speech tricks in it, and there are funny jokes:

http://www.amazon.com/Lecture-Lydie-Salvayre/dp/1564783510/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1352928550&sr=1-2&keywords=the+lecture

#686
thank you

Yeah i guess in my story a lot of that exposition would work better as a thought or recollection rather than dialogue
#687
my lady has lent me some Camus at the moment, i like how cold and detached he writes
#688
i been rereading some kafka lately and his dialogue is awful, absolutely dire, and he's one of the greatest novelists of all time... will self does really excellent dialogue, he does that annoying thing when he phonetically transcribes anything spoken in dialect but its not quite in the same patronising way people in the 19th century do it... joyce's is pretty good as well actually
#689
ya amis too
#690
readin through the thing im writing now i realise that basically all speech is indirect, theres hardly any dialogue and that which there is is pretty poor, like my main character says about 10 lines in like 10,000 words lol
#691
sounds like u should read some amis and improve ur writing thusly
#692
i read heavy water a bunch of years ago.... of course the grand master of literary dialogue was the great flib grundlesworthy, along with his protege, puig
#693
cormac mccarthy also has really good dialogue as well too
#694
heres wot im talkin about

There were also a few of Lutine’s friends, high lords in the aristocracy of letters. That portly British novelist, one of those ex-Trotskyites who may have long given up historical materialism but continue to wage class warfare by not tucking their shirts in and smoking into middle age. Urtid hadn’t read any of his books. Chatting to him was that American, with a velvet smoking jacket and pince-nez, the one whose stories were all about the infidelities and sexual neuroses of Jewish academics. Near them stood the French philosopher who had described high heels as ‘fractal phalluses, sigils of patriarchal dominance.’ She was, Urtid noticed, wearing a pair herself, furiously clutching a glass of wine. There was also Lutine’s newest boyfriend, Anton, a pale lad who didn’t look a day over seventeen: the famous omnisexual was, of course, basically just an old-fashioned pederast. Lutine introduced Urtid to everyone, as if he had known him for years; they all asked the same questions. Was he still writing, like his old collaborator? Did he have anything out they could go and read? No, he told them. He taught history at a secondary school, he hadn’t written a word in decades, he watched TV: he was content. This seemed to take them all rather by surprise. Well, if he ever chose to start again, being fictionalised in the Poet of Peace’s first novel would ensure he’d have no problems with publication, wouldn’t it? Lutine’s greatness would be sure to rub off on him; he’d certainly win a prize or two, even if just by association. And from the book, Urtid certainly seemed to have been an excellent poet…
#695
i've always liked that kinda dialogue for adding a bit of distance or a hazy feel to things
#696

EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

cormac mccarthy also has really good dialogue as well too



Don’t remember the dialogue so I dunno if this is a joke or not but I loved blood meridian

#697
probably the thing where he doesn't use quotations for dialogue so it just melds in with the terrain of the text.
#698
was this posted yet

#699


someone i know went to school with this guy (who is like an even more unlikeable and annoying version of steve roggenbuck) so i just basically heard a lot of stories about how horrible he was and how everyone in the writing department / various undergrad literary publications hated him and his bad poetry so i went to their (his+roggenbucks) poetry reading here when they were on "tour" together

they basically just read generic tweets off their phones while mugging for the livestream and it was really bad and annoying, the reason why is obvious to anyone who watched the previously posted youtube above this one ^^^ and i mean it's literally just rich kids who arbitrarily chose to be poetry majors screwing around so theres no reason to hate it more than any other random gross rich ppl fashion thing but the fact that im even seeing these ppl get posted in a "ugh look at this shit" way is aggravating to me for some reason

also roggenbuck claims his "style" of poetry is a direct result of being a vegetarian and buddhist lol
#700

tentativelurkeraccount posted:

probably the thing where he doesn't use quotations for dialogue so it just melds in with the terrain of the text.



i always wondered if this was joyces reason for doing quotes in the french style (dash) rather than quotation marks

#701
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#702

acephalousuniverse posted:

tentativelurkeraccount posted:

probably the thing where he doesn't use quotations for dialogue so it just melds in with the terrain of the text.

i always wondered if this was joyces reason for doing quotes in the french style (dash) rather than quotation marks



roddy doyle of all people does it too

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#704
ive only read angelas ashes that did that, which is now a major motion picture by paramount
#705
the sand and the flower: a story about war, poetry, terrorism, and how to love humanity; by, dead ken, (w)riter

http://samkriss.wordpress.com/2013/01/24/the-sand-and-the-wildflower/
#706
that's good
#707
what i like about a lot of your writing, and this one is an example of it too but the real stand-out was nowhereland, is that you have a good focus on place. now there's a lot nerds writing kickass explorations of setting out there, but it's mostly in genre fiction and most of that doesn't have a lot to offer besides said setting. you're managing to marry good setting to good inter and/or intrapersonal stuff in some of the pieces you've been posting and i like it. i assume you've read some j.d. ballard?
#708
who the fuck is j.d. ballard
#709
david cronenberg's scriptwriter
#710

thirdplace posted:

what i like about a lot of your writing, and this one is an example of it too but the real stand-out was nowhereland, is that you have a good focus on place. now there's a lot nerds writing kickass explorations of setting out there, but it's mostly in genre fiction and most of that doesn't have a lot to offer besides said setting. you're managing to marry good setting to good inter and/or intrapersonal stuff in some of the pieces you've been posting and i like it. i assume you've read some j.d. ballard?



thanks a lot man. yeah in workshops people tend to comment on my settings/descriptions... often positive but it has been noted that place becomes a focus to the extent that the characters moving around in it are devalued which is something i'm tryna combat... i read crash and high rise and a bunch of short stories but nothing recently actually, he's rly good tho, esp for a british dude lol

#711

deadken posted:

thirdplace posted:
what i like about a lot of your writing, and this one is an example of it too but the real stand-out was nowhereland, is that you have a good focus on place. now there's a lot nerds writing kickass explorations of setting out there, but it's mostly in genre fiction and most of that doesn't have a lot to offer besides said setting. you're managing to marry good setting to good inter and/or intrapersonal stuff in some of the pieces you've been posting and i like it. i assume you've read some j.d. ballard?


thanks a lot man. yeah in workshops people tend to comment on my settings/descriptions... often positive but it has been noted that place becomes a focus to the extent that the characters moving around in it are devalued which is something i'm tryna combat... i read crash and high rise and a bunch of short stories but nothing recently actually, he's rly good tho, esp for a british dude lol



read concrete island yo, you will like it i think

#712
yeah, imo j.g. ballinger can do no wrong
#713
The Unlimited Dream Company is my fav
#714
i'm surprised you haven't heard of him EO, he's almost the thinking man's martin amis
#715
lol ballard is my fav author iwc ive read all his books i was just making fun of thirdplace for saying 'j.d. ballard'
#716
hence why i just said which ballard book was my favorite in the post right above urs
#717

deadken posted:

but it has been noted that place becomes a focus to the extent that the characters moving around in it are devalued which is something i'm tryna combat..

look at harry potter. bunch of silly made up words, basic bildungsroman for a plot, setting that rarely if ever departs from broad fantasy archtypes--and Rowling sells seven billion dollars worth of books with it . Or star wars. lucas consciously builds a world around the most barebones archtypical plot he can find and creates a brand still worth billions forty years later. lotta reasons for all of this (not the least of them marketing) but I think one overlooked one is: people got a craving for setting. they like stories, but they also like a borrowed paracosm to imagine themselves walking around in.

and b/c guys in writing workshops think things like what you relate there, the only people feeding that craving are the ones willing to live in the genre fiction ghetto: population of a few particularly dedicated writers and a shitload of hacks. the hacks reinforce the phobia, this idea that you have to choose between an interesting story and an interesting background to it, and the cycle recurses. it deprives the best writers of audiences and forces readers to make that same choice between plot and setting. but if i had a shot as giving people both in the same work and guy in a workshop told me not to do it i would tell that guy to 'go fuck off'

#718

EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

lol ballard is my fav author iwc ive read all his books i was just making fun of thirdplace for saying 'j.d. ballard'



i think you might be "trolling" me

#719

thirdplace posted:

deadken posted:
but it has been noted that place becomes a focus to the extent that the characters moving around in it are devalued which is something i'm tryna combat..
look at harry potter. bunch of silly made up words, basic bildungsroman for a plot, setting that rarely if ever departs from broad fantasy archtypes--and Rowling sells seven billion dollars worth of books with it . Or star wars. lucas consciously builds a world around the most barebones archtypical plot he can find and creates a brand still worth billions forty years later. lotta reasons for all of this (not the least of them marketing) but I think one overlooked one is: people got a craving for setting. they like stories, but they also like a borrowed paracosm to imagine themselves walking around in.

and b/c guys in writing workshops think things like what you relate there, the only people feeding that craving are the ones willing to live in the genre fiction ghetto: population of a few particularly dedicated writers and a shitload of hacks. the hacks reinforce the phobia, this idea that you have to choose between an interesting story and an interesting background to it, and the cycle recurses. it deprives the best writers of audiences and forces readers to make that same choice between plot and setting. but if i had a shot as giving people both in the same work and guy in a workshop told me not to do it i would tell that guy to 'go fuck off'



Characters, their interactions with each other, and how they grow or change are the only thing that matter.

If people want interesting settings they’ll read an atlas.

#720
im not trolling. why would i even... what?