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those read like trolls
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roseweird, why do you think you ended up being comfortable calling it mental illness when so many in that community aren't as of late? is it just their stigma for mental illness, more pseudoscience or...?
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roseweird, you really need to think of goatstein as the crazy senile pensioner at the end of the block that calls everyone faggots and getting drunk at the cornerstore, but you can't drive him out since he's been there since the beginning of time, completely evades all the eviction attempts, and is now pretty much a cultural institution
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roseweird posted:

Goethestein posted:

Um, excuse me, but where am I meant to shave in public if not a bathroom stall? And for your information I was holding it so that I could gather enough fluid to make an authentic female pissing noise, as I find that unless I'm really desperate the sound is distinct from those of cis women. I was asking for advice, not for someone to shit all over my womanhood when in reality you're obviously not as committed to passing as I am anyway.

fucking lol, these people are awful and i am happy to make fun of them, but your attitude towards transgenderism in general is fucked (also you only care about male transgender people, which seems odd). trans goons are pathetic horrible goons, shocking, but the situation is different for children who get support early and are raised/socialized in their desired gender, i don't really understand what your problem with this basic concept is



males appear to be the overwhelming majority, at least among the groups i notice. my problem with this basic concept is using incoherent nonsensical trans theory to castrate children and turn them into these deranged suicidal freaks

like, obviously transgender people ARE mentally ill (i don't really understand the push to reclassify this as a physical illness, except as a reaction to people like you who use "mentally ill" as an insult), it's just that your favored treatment from what i can intuit from your posts seems to be forcing them to accept their birth gender for some reason. this is probably a good idea for older transsexuals but older transsexuals are the most visible and most fucked up people in our community and you are using them (and fucking goons no less) to characterize everyone. fuck you



considering tiny population of the trans community and its rates of suicide and mental illness it's probable that goon trannies are actually a representative sampling. they might be fatter and nerdier than average but i've yet to see any evidence that there is a Silent Majority of sane, well-adjusted trannies hanging out somewhere

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those read like trolls



agreed

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roseweird posted:

castrating children? that doesn't happen... by the time any permanent hormonal changes are made the children are able to make clear decisions about their own identity. even then they are reversible to some extent for quite some time. i don't advocate SRS under any conditions really but socialization and hormonal treatments? why not?



because it is psychologically damaging and child abuse

anyway males are definitely the majority on the internet, but not in real life i don't think... basically, in my experience ftm's are much better adjusted mentally than most mtfs. i think a lot of this has to do with the permanence of male pubertal changes and the inability of transition to really do anything about any of these changes. this also just makes mtfs more noticeable in general. most male transgender people are probaby really crazy but i think they would be a lot less crazy if they got early support

the rates of suicide are high because it is a difficult disorder to live with... trans people hate their bodies, and the rate of suicide for trans people goes up in direct proportion to age at transition



or perhaps it has something to do with their histories of abuse and comorbid mental illnesses. i also don't think your claims about benefits of age at transition are robust considering that most appear to begin receiving "treatment" for their delusions in their late teens to mid 20s and are still totally broken.

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What percentage of transppl are "legitimately" mentally ill vs just maladjusted weirdos who would otherwise be furries
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roseweird posted:

Goethestein posted:

because it is psychologically damaging and child abuse

why??? if the kid wants to be a different gender the issue isn't going away just because you sternly insist they have to wear these clothes and be referred to by these pronouns and choose from this set of names and that to do otherwise is child abuse



the issue might very well go away actually. most of what we thought we wanted as 12 year olds doesn't really square with what we want now. if it doesn't go away, that's unfortunate, but it's still a mental illness and steering into the skid doesn't actually solve the problem

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yeah i'm pretty sure "curing" trans kids who are "just going through a phase" will work just about as well as it does with gay kids
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roseweird posted:

so how exactly do you propose treating such people, prescribe a gym membership and several minutes of screaming "FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT"?


jesus, it's like something drdogballs would prescribe

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Look for severe childhood disturbances associated with violence. Our Billy wasn't born a criminal, Clarice. He was made one through years of systematic abuse. Billy hates his own identity, you see, and he thinks that makes him a transsexual. But his pathology is a thousand times more savage and more terrifying.
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i have to admit it's pretty cool that goatstein is actively demonstrating itt that he's more judgmental, bigoted and regressive than the members of the military he loathes more than anyone else
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goatstein is cool
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gyrofry posted:

What percentage of transppl are "legitimately" mentally ill vs just maladjusted weirdos who would otherwise be furries

seriously though, clearly furries are a thing and clearly it is a wholly socially constructed phenomenon. it is equally clear that some set of trans ppl are afflicted by a disorder that is not wholly socially constructed. yet it is not difficult to imagine that some set of the trans ppl are adopting a social identity and the tropes thereof for reasons unrelated to those afflicted by the disorder.

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being anti-trans is a good way to end up wondering why people avoid you
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gyrofry posted:

it is not difficult to imagine that some set of the trans ppl are adopting a social identity and the tropes thereof for reasons unrelated to those afflicted by the disorder.



i dont think anyone really denies that

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gyrofry perhaps you would be interested in a little book called Silence of the Lambs
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gyrofry posted:

gyrofry posted:

What percentage of transppl are "legitimately" mentally ill vs just maladjusted weirdos who would otherwise be furries

seriously though, clearly furries are a thing and clearly it is a wholly socially constructed phenomenon. it is equally clear that some set of trans ppl are afflicted by a disorder that is not wholly socially constructed. yet it is not difficult to imagine that some set of the trans ppl are adopting a social identity and the tropes thereof for reasons unrelated to those afflicted by the disorder.


why would it matter

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I celebrate Thomas Harris' entire catalogue
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Lessons posted:

gyrofry posted:

gyrofry posted:

What percentage of transppl are "legitimately" mentally ill vs just maladjusted weirdos who would otherwise be furries

seriously though, clearly furries are a thing and clearly it is a wholly socially constructed phenomenon. it is equally clear that some set of trans ppl are afflicted by a disorder that is not wholly socially constructed. yet it is not difficult to imagine that some set of the trans ppl are adopting a social identity and the tropes thereof for reasons unrelated to those afflicted by the disorder.

why would it matter

for Science

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do you really think its unimportant to understand the physical and/or social basis for a phenomenon with such negative ramifications
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gyrofry posted:

do you really think its unimportant to understand the physical and/or social basis for a phenomenon with such negative ramifications


i would say it's really useless to try and root out "fakers" for no particular reason. do you know anything about the process of transition? it's extremely difficult, especially for adults, not to mention expensive. how many people do you really think are going through all that because they're "weirdos"?

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sick people should probably get treated for their root problems rather than placing false hopes on sex changes since a lot of those people remain sick and end up killing themselves
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I know a little bit - I have a cousin who transitioned MTF as an adult (over 30).

I think it's a non-sequitur to suggest that weirdos are primarily rationally-motivated
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gyrofry posted:

I celebrate Thomas Harris' entire catalogue


Michael Lander is a pilot who flies the Aldrich Blimp over NFL football games to film them for network television. He is also, secretly, deranged by years of torture as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, a bitter court martial on his return and a failed marriage. He longs to commit suicide and to take with him as many as possible of the cheerful, carefree American civilians he sees from his blimp each weekend.

Lander conspires with Dahlia Iyad, an operative from the Palestinian terrorist group Black September, to launch a suicide attack using a bomb composed of plastique and a quarter million steel darts, housed on the underside of the gondola of the Aldrich Blimp, which they will detonate over Tulane Stadium during a Super Bowl between the Miami Dolphins and the Washington Redskins. Dahlia and Black September, in turn, intend the attack as a wake-up call for the American people, to turn their attention and the world's to the plight of the Palestinians.

American and Israeli intelligence, led by Mossad agent David Kabakov and FBI agent Sam Corley, race to prevent the catastrophe. They piece together the path of the explosives into the country, and Dahlia's own movements.

In a spectacular conclusion, the bomb-carrying blimp is chased by helicopters as it approaches the packed stadium.

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Who knew that the prophetic socialist writer H.G. Wells would predict the rise of furries in his novel The Island of Dr. Moreau
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babyfinland posted:

sick people should probably get treated for their root problems rather than placing false hopes on sex changes since a lot of those people remain sick and end up killing themselves



that isnt how comorbidity works