#401

Chthonic_Goat_666 posted:

i feel like there was a window of about 3 days where liberals were in shock and there was something of an opening for socialist agitation.



lucky for the liberals they powered up by announcing that a celebrity chavista once threw a famous liberal into an actual garbage can

#402
yeah it was actually kind of remarkable now that i think about it

to my social media vantage point at least, liberals were gobsmacked and the ideology machine seemed to be staggered. now it's back on full blast poisoning wells, priming, and memetically inoculating them against good politics
#403
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#404
The Left case for Mike Pompeo as head of the CIA
#405
1. march in cities trump didnt win
2. wear safety pins
3. stop after 3 days
4. slate suggests you resist via donating to planned parenthood in paul ryans name probably
#406
i didnt know goatstein had more than one twitter account
#407
justin raimondo looks like he needs to do a rail of Folger's
#408
i cant be bothered to find the original post but someone shut me up for claiming the fucking pepes represented some kind of fascist vanguard because they had no military experience and all they can do is go online and yell. well they are in the white house now and it took a lot less time than even i ever predicted. they were indeed most of them too fat and useless to leave their homes and take to the streets, and in the end that didn't fucking matter
#409
if you believe that the republican party of the united states of america are more of a fascist vanguard than the democratic party of the united states of america and that /pol/ was more responsible for what happened than the utter dripping contempt previous democratic voters had for hillary clinton... i mean, that's between you and god but remember that god can do math and so can you
#410
#411
the serious answer to the discussion people are tentatively attempting here about liberal conversos is that lasting gains for the left in that arena are likely to be small in the current environment although that can change very rapidly. no one who was going to become a leftist only during some magic one-week window of disillusionment was going to stay that way as soon as the 2018 congressional distraction campaign revved up in a few months.

those who are drifting to the left now will do so because of material conditions in their own lives combined with severe disillusionment across the entire history of the recent election and outgoing administration and they're already represented by the drastic drop of democratic over republican voters in an election where, despite slightly higher voter turnout, both major parties had a worse turnout overall, while minor parties had their best showing since ross perot, a pathetic high water mark but one that likely only die-hard pro-clinton democrats would have missed predicting. again, great news for the left.
#412
an even better sign was the depressed turn-out among younger voters and their heavily cross-demographic peers the self-identified "progressives", something that whiny clinton fans are Unironically helpfully mistaking for a return to "unreliability" among those groups in get out the vote efforts, in the sense that they are too busy Vining imgurs to vote or whatever. and i'm like yeah they're showing they're gonna be unreliable in the future... for you.
#413
as a misanthrope and a socialist i believe you have to bribe people to be good. the democrats by virtue of their complete corporate sellout have lost this ability. "vote for me because i'm not racist" doesn't have the same motive power as "vote for me and i'll give you free healthcare"
#414
what has less motive power than either is "pokemon go to the polls"
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#416

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

as a misanthrope and a socialist i believe you have to bribe people to be good. the democrats by virtue of their complete corporate sellout have lost this ability. "vote for me because i'm not racist" doesn't have the same motive power as "vote for me and i'll give you free healthcare"



especially true since they have now thoroughly lost states like north carolina that the democrats held in some major way since before the civil war straight up until the 2010s based solely on handing out goodies and patronage and bribing everyone in sight, while the urban centers in those states continue to swell with people who might have voted for the democrats if they were still in a position to hand out bribes but instead see the current democratic party as despicable, weak and useless cretins

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#418

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

i believe you have to bribe people to be good



give me your wallet

#419

cars posted:

... for you.



this part is *in muffled Tom Hardy voice* Sorry i forgot.

#420
West’s reasoning for backing Trump, somewhat predictably, had less to do with substance and more to do with aesthetics. “There’s methods, non-political methods to speaking, that I like, that I feel were very futuristic,” he said. “And that style and that method of communication has proven that it can be a politically correct way of communication. And I fuck with that.”
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#422

cars posted:

see the current democratic party as despicable, weak and useless cretins



this is my godforsaken point and it is because of /pol/, or at least the wider ideology they are both a representative and a cause of. unless you see a fundamental divorce between @KawaiiHeydrich1488 and your uncle sharing photoshopped Craigslist ads for paid protestors

#423
as far as post-election recruiting goes, the DSA seem to be working overtime to push the worst possible vision of marxism to liberals and i can only hope that anyone who decides they dont want to be a liberal any more moves on from the extremely quickly
#424
better that the DSA hoover them up than they attempt to stick with the democrats surely
#425

littlegreenpills posted:

better that the DSA hoover them up than they attempt to stick with the democrats surely


in what concrete aspect is the DSA not a left wing branch of the Dems? I don't see how entryism is going to be effective here.

#426

littlegreenpills posted:

cars posted:

see the current democratic party as despicable, weak and useless cretins

this is my godforsaken point and it is because of /pol/, or at least the wider ideology they are both a representative and a cause of. unless you see a fundamental divorce between @KawaiiHeydrich1488 and your uncle sharing photoshopped Craigslist ads for paid protestors



/pol/ are a bunch of sub-sub-goons who thought donald trump was going to release secret FBI files from a fake AMA on /pol/ showing clinton violated the Espionage Act over the summer and they accordingly did jack shit compared to people like guccifer & wikileaks. but hell, MPC liked my superman article so they're all right in my book.

#427
almost all of the people who voted for trump this time voted for romney last time and mccain before that. trump lost a ton of romney voters anyway as well as the popular vote while clinton lost nearly four times that among obama voters. coincidentally younger left-leaning workers in the united states would rather push the democrat who just ran out of their bushes with a broom handle than elect her as dogcatcher, which is good & neat. trump's best bet at this point is to turn as much of the syrian situation as possible over to russia and then lose valiantly to a bipartisan congress over trade deals, exposing the contradictions in populism for all to see, including the contradictions within the people who hate hillary and what she represents, the overwhelming negative opinion that dominated this election.

as gyrofry put it in the last thread the civility of liberal discourse is not worth preserving nor is the notion that the bourgeois liberal world order isn't the worst possible world right now. for that exact reason pretending like the marginalized paranoid weirdos on the far right are now "in power" should be denounced as fantasy, what's worse it's the clinton campaign line to a T, she literally wanted people to believe that trump was the candidate of the positive beliefs of 4chan instead of the truth which is that people loathed her and all she stood for, not because they agreed with 4chan but because she represented the wrong end of various potential class allies and false consciousness junkies peeling away from the bourgeoisie with genuine & obvious material cause in terms of employment instability, and the opposition came from a multitude of different political vectors and materialized in a multitude of ways, including angry, purposeful refusal to support anyone in the general. we even saw it progress among the handful of liberals posting among the rest of us here.

claiming that /pol/ has the white house is the mirror image of how /pol/ has claimed that we, the marxists, have had the white house for the past eight years and would have won it for another four if clinton were elected. the fact that /pol/ believes both the line where they "win" and the line where we "win" is illustrative of how the right never has any historical perspective and always thinks revolution is imminent, immanent and magical, they think they can trick history into performing as they desire. this leads to masterstrokes in Fail like swirlsofhistory attempting to get the exactly zero hillary clinton voters who read this forum to vote for jill stein with weird fake posts that reek of old ball sweat, which i'm sure he thinks helped /pol/ win the white house because he's dumb as rocks. /pol/ taking credit for beating clinton is like if a terrorist had waited until they were the last being on one cracked half of the titanic and set off a firecracker and claimed they sunk it.

i'd instead rejoice because i can't imagine a good future for the left in the united states, or any future, that doesn't start with the world-history-fueled demolition of the contemporary democratic party's populist myth among younger workers already inclined to think in leftish ways, which will have to begin with a disgruntled withdrawal of left-liberal support like we just saw (again, way bigger of a factor than any support that was drummed up for trump who simply failed to lose as many votes as clinton). those people decided the election and they don't have any clue what the fuck /pol/ is supposed to be and they'd hate it if they did. and it is not marxist and consistently erases class to think that you can trick people into becoming /pol/ fluoride conspiracy apes when they just rejected pragmatic, pretty fascism, dolled up just the way that has been mathematically calculated to appeal to them, en masse.

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#428

cars posted:

i'd instead rejoice because i can't imagine a good future for the left in the united states, or any future, that doesn't start with the world-history-fueled demolition of the contemporary democratic party's populist myth among younger workers already inclined to think in leftish ways, which will have to begin with a disgruntled withdrawal of left-liberal support like we just saw (again, way bigger of a factor than any support that was drummed up for trump who simply failed to lose as many votes as clinton). those people decided the election and they don't have any clue what the fuck /pol/ is supposed to be and they'd hate it if they did. and it is not marxist and consistently erases class to think that you can trick people into becoming /pol/ fluoride conspiracy apes when they just rejected pragmatic, pretty fascism, dolled up just the way that has been mathematically calculated to appeal to them, en masse.


the whole point of connor kilpatrick and whoever else bloviating about ID politics is to gather the people who peeled off from clinton and corral them back into a democratic party with the goal of resetting the official ideology from faking multiculturalism to earnestly supporting the interests of the white middle class. people like goatstein who are grossed out by queer people and think that black people are stupid but think they're socialists because they like the new deal are being courted as a potential wave of dem optimism if people like kilpatrick have some amount of success in their attempted ideological coup

#429
garak owns
#430
andrew robinson and jeffrey combs on one show. the win is strong
#431
remember when garak was getting perved on by gul dukats big titty halfbreed daughter. pepperidge farms. america is already great
#432

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

remember when garak was getting perved on by gul dukats big titty halfbreed daughter. pepperidge farms. america is already great



three different actresses in four years and nana visitor accidentally let it out that the second one was let go because the makeup went nuclear on her face. the secret c0nec tip to becoming a recurring star trek alien, invincibly perfect skin

#433
people were seriously, extremely, carehard mad about that character. because they wanted the people in my av to fuck
#434
Starbucks is my political battleground

#435
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#436
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#437
shocked reaction.gif
#438

roseweird posted:

ds9 was not agood trek



u wrong

#439
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#440

roseweird posted:

remember that episode about naked ferengi mom



that wouldnt make the top 50 worst episodes of star trek