jools posted:it owns how those have suddenly become a thing in the past 2 years or so
i like the way that now everyday conversations between middle class folks can now regularly devolve into how protein sources are for building lean mass in the constant quest to square the circle of diets and actually see one past procrastination but no one has actually seen any football or even watched match of the day
"YES I JUST WANT TO STAY HEALTHY FOR SOME SITUATION WHEN I AM NOT TIRED FROM GOING TO THE GYM ALL THE TIME AT EVENTS I CANT AFFORD COS I SPEND ALL MY MONEY ON MEAT NEVER MIND THE FACT I HAVE CONFIGURED MY ENTIRE LIFE OUTSIDE OF WORK TO THIS GOAL BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THE NORMAL WORLD WORKS FOR PEOPLE WHO FEEL SO ALIENATED FROM THE EVERYDAY THEY NEED TO TURN KEEPING IN THE SEMI STANDARD WORKING CONDITIONS OF LIFE INTO A FULL ON HOBBY"
"that is really good news and really normal"
SovietFriends posted:"oh hello friend your trying to bulk up and you go to the gym every 2 days and follow a routine you printed from meticulous research on the arguments of weirdos with manly websites referring to lifestyles that barely exist as functional realities in the context of everyday capitalism"
"YES I JUST WANT TO STAY HEALTHY FOR SOME SITUATION WHEN I AM NOT TIRED FROM GOING TO THE GYM ALL THE TIME AT EVENTS I CANT AFFORD COS I SPEND ALL MY MONEY ON MEAT NEVER MIND THE FACT I HAVE CONFIGURED MY ENTIRE LIFE OUTSIDE OF WORK TO THIS GOAL BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THE NORMAL WORLD WORKS FOR PEOPLE WHO FEEL SO ALIENATED FROM THE EVERYDAY THEY NEED TO TURN KEEPING IN THE SEMI STANDARD WORKING CONDITIONS OF LIFE INTO A FULL ON HOBBY"
"that is really good news and really normal"
SovietFriends posted:"oh hello friend your trying to bulk up and you go to the gym every 2 days and follow a routine you printed from meticulous research on the arguments of weirdos with manly websites referring to lifestyles that barely exist as functional realities in the context of everyday capitalism"
"YES I JUST WANT TO STAY HEALTHY FOR SOME SITUATION WHEN I AM NOT TIRED FROM GOING TO THE GYM ALL THE TIME AT EVENTS I CANT AFFORD COS I SPEND ALL MY MONEY ON MEAT NEVER MIND THE FACT I HAVE CONFIGURED MY ENTIRE LIFE OUTSIDE OF WORK TO THIS GOAL BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THE NORMAL WORLD WORKS FOR PEOPLE WHO FEEL SO ALIENATED FROM THE EVERYDAY THEY NEED TO TURN KEEPING IN THE SEMI STANDARD WORKING CONDITIONS OF LIFE INTO A FULL ON HOBBY"
"that is really good news and really normal"
i like to wonder if fixations on food and/or physical fitness are in someway sublimation of anxiety over the obvious unsustainability of present civilization, but i'm almost certainly overthinking it.
SovietFriends posted:"oh hello friend your trying to bulk up and you go to the gym every 2 days and follow a routine you printed from meticulous research on the arguments of weirdos with manly websites referring to lifestyles that barely exist as functional realities in the context of everyday capitalism"
"YES I JUST WANT TO STAY HEALTHY FOR SOME SITUATION WHEN I AM NOT TIRED FROM GOING TO THE GYM ALL THE TIME AT EVENTS I CANT AFFORD COS I SPEND ALL MY MONEY ON MEAT NEVER MIND THE FACT I HAVE CONFIGURED MY ENTIRE LIFE OUTSIDE OF WORK TO THIS GOAL BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THE NORMAL WORLD WORKS FOR PEOPLE WHO FEEL SO ALIENATED FROM THE EVERYDAY THEY NEED TO TURN KEEPING IN THE SEMI STANDARD WORKING CONDITIONS OF LIFE INTO A FULL ON HOBBY"
"that is really good news and really normal"
pretty sure people have been obsessed with fitness and athletics since the beginning of history, mainly because it helped us kill animals and each other. sounds like you need to hit the gym instead of over intellectualizing reasons why you don't.
elemennop posted:SovietFriends posted:"oh hello friend your trying to bulk up and you go to the gym every 2 days and follow a routine you printed from meticulous research on the arguments of weirdos with manly websites referring to lifestyles that barely exist as functional realities in the context of everyday capitalism"
"YES I JUST WANT TO STAY HEALTHY FOR SOME SITUATION WHEN I AM NOT TIRED FROM GOING TO THE GYM ALL THE TIME AT EVENTS I CANT AFFORD COS I SPEND ALL MY MONEY ON MEAT NEVER MIND THE FACT I HAVE CONFIGURED MY ENTIRE LIFE OUTSIDE OF WORK TO THIS GOAL BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THE NORMAL WORLD WORKS FOR PEOPLE WHO FEEL SO ALIENATED FROM THE EVERYDAY THEY NEED TO TURN KEEPING IN THE SEMI STANDARD WORKING CONDITIONS OF LIFE INTO A FULL ON HOBBY"
"that is really good news and really normal"pretty sure people have been obsessed with fitness and athletics since the beginning of history, mainly because it helped us kill animals and each other. sounds like you need to hit the gym instead of over intellectualizing reasons why you don't.
well i think hes def right about the immense medicalisation of it compared to the past where you'd do a sport or whatever because Being Outside Owns
jools posted:elemennop posted:SovietFriends posted:"oh hello friend your trying to bulk up and you go to the gym every 2 days and follow a routine you printed from meticulous research on the arguments of weirdos with manly websites referring to lifestyles that barely exist as functional realities in the context of everyday capitalism"
"YES I JUST WANT TO STAY HEALTHY FOR SOME SITUATION WHEN I AM NOT TIRED FROM GOING TO THE GYM ALL THE TIME AT EVENTS I CANT AFFORD COS I SPEND ALL MY MONEY ON MEAT NEVER MIND THE FACT I HAVE CONFIGURED MY ENTIRE LIFE OUTSIDE OF WORK TO THIS GOAL BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THE NORMAL WORLD WORKS FOR PEOPLE WHO FEEL SO ALIENATED FROM THE EVERYDAY THEY NEED TO TURN KEEPING IN THE SEMI STANDARD WORKING CONDITIONS OF LIFE INTO A FULL ON HOBBY"
"that is really good news and really normal"pretty sure people have been obsessed with fitness and athletics since the beginning of history, mainly because it helped us kill animals and each other. sounds like you need to hit the gym instead of over intellectualizing reasons why you don't.
well i think hes def right about the immense medicalisation of it compared to the past where you'd do a sport or whatever because Being Outside Owns
I agree there's a radicalization of the rationality, making it about "health" rather than "strength". but, if you look at the turn of the 20th century, there was a lot of quack medicine involved with fitness (and well there still is), so it's hardly unique to the current era. even more recently, in communist athletics programs, there was a massive emphasis on scientific and medical approaches to athletics. if you look at the east german olympics teams, you can see how far it went. and it's not as if those athletes were wildly removed from the "real world" or anything like that. lot of eastern block athletes were from farming families. i have a cousin that works on my uncle's farm while he studied physical education and now teaches PE at a school while still helping his family out and training himself.
people who train naturally hit plateaus, and when you find your current methods aren't pushing your limits, you look to anything that may help. the truth is that nutrition, supplements, and rest can help people. do most people need the medical minutia, probably not. but, when you start training anything seriously, it can be intimidating, so people like to research and go into in a way to they feel prepared. so people go on online, and read the the writing of the enthusiasts, people who have been training for a while and are using every tool at their disposal to keep pushing themselves, so they read it and feel they need to as well.
i think it's a trap leftists fall into that every social phenomena has to be explained by marxism/feminism/whatever. it's certainly true that the expression of most phenomena is altered by the current power structures of patriarchy/capitalism/etc, but that doesn't mean it's driven by those forms (not that you were saying that of course).
elemennop posted:pretty sure people have been obsessed with fitness and athletics since the beginning of history, mainly because it helped us kill animals and each other. sounds like you need to hit the gym instead of over intellectualizing reasons why you don't.
i dont have any problem with being fit i have a problem with finesses complete reconstruction to some absurd untouchable science which transform having a healthy body into a hobby which ironically taglines itself by its insistence on the need to create a new lifestyle rather then as a natural component of the human lifestyle entire sections of our society are losing the inability to keep in touch with and so are trying to pointless monopoloise
also i work with my hands plus have some lumps of metal which i lift when it seems right at home so its all good also when i buy my friday fish and chips i cook my fish at home
elemennop posted:I agree there's a radicalization of the rationality, making it about "health" rather than "strength". but, if you look at the turn of the 20th century, there was a lot of quack medicine involved with fitness (and well there still is), so it's hardly unique to the current era. even more recently, in communist athletics programs, there was a massive emphasis on scientific and medical approaches to athletics. if you look at the east german olympics teams, you can see how far it went. and it's not as if those athletes were wildly removed from the "real world" or anything like that. lot of eastern block athletes were from farming families. i have a cousin that works on my uncle's farm while he studied physical education and now teaches PE at a school while still helping his family out and training himself.
people who train naturally hit plateaus, and when you find your current methods aren't pushing your limits, you look to anything that may help. the truth is that nutrition, supplements, and rest can help people. do most people need the medical minutia, probably not. but, when you start training anything seriously, it can be intimidating, so people like to research and go into in a way to they feel prepared. so people go on online, and read the the writing of the enthusiasts, people who have been training for a while and are using every tool at their disposal to keep pushing themselves, so they read it and feel they need to as well.
i think it's a trap leftists fall into that every social phenomena has to be explained by marxism/feminism/whatever. it's certainly true that the expression of most phenomena is altered by the current power structures of patriarchy/capitalism/etc, but that doesn't mean it's driven by those forms (not that you were saying that of course).
this is fair enough if your a sports hero but like your allowed to self criticize your hobbies especially if they are seemingly reflecting a class neurosis in the extent they want you to change your entire life to fit them
the point you made about it being longer term is really good though btw and do need to think about that a bit mbe could link it into the fact capitalism is finally at the point where that level of rationalization has become acceptable but not really sure at this point
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tpaine posted:arent these rap lyrics
i hope so
considering the bizarre nature of the world right now white people and fitness science is more then likely a huge selling angle
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KilledInADuel posted:a friend of mind is doing a tough mudder race.. i tried to explain to him that tough mudder and similar obstacle races probably represent the pathetic, absolute nadir of american civilization - scores of flabby desk jockeys plunking down a day's pay to get filthy and pretend to be fucking marines for absolutely no reason whatsoever, vainly trying to find a pulse through vicarious militarism. you can faceplant in the mud all day long for free and guess what, you'd still be an idiot. i think he's still gonna do it tho, the poor darling. is this sports?
why conjure up so much invective about people wanting to test themselves?
it just makes you seem insecure and lazy, not incisive.
SovietFriends posted:"oh hello friend your trying to bulk up and you go to the gym every 2 days and follow a routine you printed from meticulous research on the arguments of weirdos with manly websites referring to lifestyles that barely exist as functional realities in the context of everyday capitalism"
"YES I JUST WANT TO STAY HEALTHY FOR SOME SITUATION WHEN I AM NOT TIRED FROM GOING TO THE GYM ALL THE TIME AT EVENTS I CANT AFFORD COS I SPEND ALL MY MONEY ON MEAT NEVER MIND THE FACT I HAVE CONFIGURED MY ENTIRE LIFE OUTSIDE OF WORK TO THIS GOAL BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THE NORMAL WORLD WORKS FOR PEOPLE WHO FEEL SO ALIENATED FROM THE EVERYDAY THEY NEED TO TURN KEEPING IN THE SEMI STANDARD WORKING CONDITIONS OF LIFE INTO A FULL ON HOBBY"
"that is really good news and really normal"
I’m sorry but this is classic elitist socialist thinking that alienates people from your cause. Try and have some empathy and see the world through their eyes: spending all your time outside work reading books on the Russian revolution or theory or whatever would be absurd to them, while bettering oneself physically would seem like a sensible and legitimate use of free time.
*reads books about ancient political squabbles and dies of alcoholism at 40”
thirdplace posted:SovietFriends posted:
"oh hello friend your trying to bulk up and you go to the gym every 2 days and follow a routine you printed from meticulous research on the arguments of weirdos with manly websites referring to lifestyles that barely exist as functional realities in the context of everyday capitalism"
"YES I JUST WANT TO STAY HEALTHY FOR SOME SITUATION WHEN I AM NOT TIRED FROM GOING TO THE GYM ALL THE TIME AT EVENTS I CANT AFFORD COS I SPEND ALL MY MONEY ON MEAT NEVER MIND THE FACT I HAVE CONFIGURED MY ENTIRE LIFE OUTSIDE OF WORK TO THIS GOAL BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THE NORMAL WORLD WORKS FOR PEOPLE WHO FEEL SO ALIENATED FROM THE EVERYDAY THEY NEED TO TURN KEEPING IN THE SEMI STANDARD WORKING CONDITIONS OF LIFE INTO A FULL ON HOBBY"
"that is really good news and really normal"
i like to wonder if fixations on food and/or physical fitness are in someway sublimation of anxiety over the obvious unsustainability of present civilization, but i'm almost certainly overthinking it.
Yeah it’s not like communist states ever put a premium on physical fitness it must be capitalism that started this ludicrous fantasy that being healthy is good durrrr
SovietFriends posted:"oh hello friend your trying to bulk up and you go to the gym every 2 days and follow a routine you printed from meticulous research on the arguments of weirdos with manly websites referring to lifestyles that barely exist as functional realities in the context of everyday capitalism"
"YES I JUST WANT TO STAY HEALTHY FOR SOME SITUATION WHEN I AM NOT TIRED FROM GOING TO THE GYM ALL THE TIME AT EVENTS I CANT AFFORD COS I SPEND ALL MY MONEY ON MEAT NEVER MIND THE FACT I HAVE CONFIGURED MY ENTIRE LIFE OUTSIDE OF WORK TO THIS GOAL BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THE NORMAL WORLD WORKS FOR PEOPLE WHO FEEL SO ALIENATED FROM THE EVERYDAY THEY NEED TO TURN KEEPING IN THE SEMI STANDARD WORKING CONDITIONS OF LIFE INTO A FULL ON HOBBY"
"that is really good news and really normal"
Oh you go to the gym and exercise? How... practical. *Rolls eyes*
I, on the otherhand, prefer to stay Fat and Gay. In pursuit of remaining as inert as possible, I feed my amorphous body with pizza & Doritos. My autistic mind, anime. I like to stay in peak stagnation, best as possible, you know, incase a revolution breaks out -- a Dance Dance revolution that is, Ha Ha.
My rationale: what use does discipline serve in post-modern cosmopolitan society? When you can just be a worthless hedonist instead? Hell Yeah, Good shit.
staying disciplined is awesome
giving into the middle class fantasy land of snobby diets and perfect work out regimes devoid of any content except the constant quest to make it the key focus of your entire life is ridiculous
then you get to do actually normal attitudes such as:
think of food in terms of class terms not ultra rational bro terms
consider healthiness in a context not as an absolute
have your outside activity as fun/hobby and not a constant serious event
not treat working out as something to make up for doing rubbish inside hobbies like computer games
like do anything except be the internet nerd > internet nerd Marxist lineage + bolt on "normality" and try to actually just be part of genuine life
AmericanNazbro posted:the Middle Class, petit-bourgeois fantasy of desiring foods that aren't comprised mostly of HFCS and concocted by a team of scientists wearing white labcoats, mixing beakers of pink goo, and spraypainting their creations to give the visual impression it's edible food. my god, what bourgeois snobby foods comprised of green vegetables, fruits and non-deepfried chicken breast. such things well above what the workers of the first world are able to obtain, as it is my opinion their diets should be relegated solely to pizza and beer -- immensely more expensive however lacking any upper class connotation. Excellent.
your utterly missing the point
the problem is not with the food itself its with the snobby attitude around it which completely misses class analysis of food and instead posits ultra rational HEALTH HEALTHY HEALTH crap devoid of any concept of how people react to alienation, prices, inter class cultural attitudes towards food etc
AmericanNazbro posted:yes, a "normal" person with a "normal life" within the context of post modern capitalist societal structure. yes, that imparts life with more meaning and purpose. a person's hobbies should never be enjoyable and only a testament to asceticism - unless it's a physical test of will, then, that is unacceptable. The worst transgression, a person going to the ominous Gym in search of a sense of community and kinship from a sports team as these things have been excised from the subject-society relationship under capitalism. Hmmm, yes, yes, fantastic and also most importantly: a person should always think of his food in political terminology, calling his french fries freedom fries.
this seems like nonsense
like its really common to be sociable and friendly and you have to live in such an odd little world for that not to be true
this entire post modern blah blah is a broken zizekien stereotype to justify the wank analysis of petit bourgiouse anti socialites about the functioning of society as some completely broken mess because they are either to above/ignore the actual working class and just get slotted into the rubbishy ultra alienation of the middle class
like seriously just go join a local community sports team its not even difficult at all
