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starfleet is pretty obviously a not-so-subtle form of violent control over their little slice of galactic empire complete with clean-cut nazi-like uniforms

any dissidents who attempt to fight policies which frequently marginalize people standing in the way of the federation's goals are politically repressed quite swiftly, the Maquis being the prime example
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aerdil posted:

most fascism is pretty clearly anti-capitalist

as a trotskyist i disagree with this post

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Cycloneboy posted:

Tsargon posted:

ds9 is explicit about the federation existing in a post-capitalist utopia but any evidence for tng being similar is based off of circumstantial stuff which was part of rodenberry's explicitly American-model oriented utopia anyway. if youre going to say that tng is communist because picard hates greed or what have you then every movie or tv series that has ever featured a greedy villain is communist as well.

Picard, the captain of a starship, a high-ranking member of Federation society, has no idea what an investment portfolio. He does not live in a capitalist society.



obviously he does not, but a lack of capitalism in no way means they live in communism.

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cleanhands posted:

when the senior officers on the enterprise play poker, what are they gambling with? *stares into space as beard grows at an exponential rate*

probably just valueless, arbitrary chips like my family does on thanksgiving?

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Tsargon posted:

obviously he does not, but a lack of capitalism in no way means they live in communism.

i'm pretty sure that reaganite America is capitalist, tsargon.

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getfiscal posted:

aerdil posted:

most fascism is pretty clearly anti-capitalist

as a trotskyist i disagree with this post



i was talking to a girl today who went to a bunch of socialist organizer meetings put on by the same people i met with a few times, and discovered she hated it for the same reasons i did, those reasons having to do with their trotskyism

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if star trek is communist then why do they suffer a ferengi to live
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aerdil posted:

i was talking to a girl today who went to a bunch of socialist organizer meetings put on by the same people i met with a few times, and discovered she hated it for the same reasons i did, those reasons having to do with their trotskyism

girls are pretty smart.

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dont get me wrong, the best parts of star trek derive from its grounding in fascism and related aesthetics. the worst parts from its feel-good liberalism.

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aerdil posted:

i was talking to a girl named Emanuela today who went to a bunch of socialist organizer meetings put on by the same people i met with a few times, and discovered she hated it for the same reasons i did, those reasons having to do with their trotskyism



that was me.. why didnt you tell me you post here?

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getfiscal posted:

aerdil posted:

i was talking to a girl today who went to a bunch of socialist organizer meetings put on by the same people i met with a few times, and discovered she hated it for the same reasons i did, those reasons having to do with their trotskyism

girls are pretty smart.



agreedo, also apparently the trot leader started creeping on her which really put an end to it.

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Cycloneboy posted:

Tsargon posted:

obviously he does not, but a lack of capitalism in no way means they live in communism.

i'm pretty sure that reaganite America is capitalist, tsargon.



1. if we're going to be completely literal than rodenberry's vision cant be reaganite America because that ended in 1989. good debate guys.

2. im also pretty sure that to call a society communist then theres a longer list of qualifications than 'one person in it doesnt know what an investment portfolio is'

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aerdil posted:

also apparently the trot leader started creeping on her which really put an end to it.

that was assumed at some level.

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aerdil posted:

dont get me wrong, the best parts of star trek derive from its grounding in fascism and related aesthetics. the worst parts from it's feel-good liberalism.



the best parts of star trek derive from brutal over-acting, actually

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my favourite episodes of TNG are the one with the flute and the time loop ones so basically i'm in the same class of person that thinks orwell is a good writer
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aerdil posted:

most fascism is pretty clearly anti-capitalist as well so a post-scarcity society condemning greed in favor for the greater community ain't inherently socialist



fascism is mostly associated with nazis and the axis of world war 2, which was deeply and intrinsically capitalists

the problem with assigning generalizations to fascism is there isn't a real definition of the word. it's a vague and ominous word that strikes terror into the hearts of liberals and aside from that it really holds no meaning.

also star trek is some faggot shit for faggots

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getfiscal posted:

my favourite episodes of TNG are the one with the flute and the time loop ones so basically i'm in the same class of person that thinks orwell is a good writer



there were a lot of tng time travel episodes, do you mean yesterday's enterprise? because if so then those are indisputably two of tng's best

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AmericanNazbro posted:

aerdil posted:

most fascism is pretty clearly anti-capitalist as well so a post-scarcity society condemning greed in favor for the greater community ain't inherently socialist

fascism is mostly associated with nazis and the axis of world war 2, which was deeply and intrinsically capitalists

the problem with assigning generalizations to fascism is there isn't a real definition of the word. it's a vague and ominous word that strikes terror into the hearts of liberals and aside from that it really holds no meaning.

also star trek is some faggot shit for faggots



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Tsargon posted:

getfiscal posted:

my favourite episodes of TNG are the one with the flute and the time loop ones so basically i'm in the same class of person that thinks orwell is a good writer

there were a lot of tng time travel episodes, do you mean yesterday's enterprise? because if so then those are indisputably two of tng's best

that's a good one but i was thinking of cause and effect

i also really liked the series finale

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star trek is obviously cool & correct
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wtf netflix doesn't have TNG *shaking my darn head*

nor gilmore girls btw
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getfiscal posted:

wtf netflix doesn't have TNG *shaking my darn head*

nor gilmore girls btw



if youre using the inferior canadian netflix i guess, sorry about your shitty country

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getfiscal posted:

wtf netflix doesn't have TNG *shaking my darn head*

nor gilmore girls btw


yeah it does. i just watched an ep and commented on it recently.

*maybe not in canada

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getfiscal posted:

Tsargon posted:

getfiscal posted:

my favourite episodes of TNG are the one with the flute and the time loop ones so basically i'm in the same class of person that thinks orwell is a good writer

there were a lot of tng time travel episodes, do you mean yesterday's enterprise? because if so then those are indisputably two of tng's best

that's a good one but i was thinking of cause and effect

i also really liked the series finale



cause and effect rules too although i dont think people generally rank it with the best. all good things however is always top 5

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top 5 tng personally is like:

1. chain of command two parter
2. flute episode
3. all good things
4. remember me (crusher gets trapped in a pocket dimension and has to reason her way out)
5. yesterday's enterprise
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Tsargon posted:

Cycloneboy posted:

Tsargon posted:

obviously he does not, but a lack of capitalism in no way means they live in communism.

i'm pretty sure that reaganite America is capitalist, tsargon.

1. if we're going to be completely literal than rodenberry's vision cant be reaganite America because that ended in 1989. good debate guys.

i'm pretty sure that any kind of reaganite thing is going to be damn fucking capitalist? that was the whole point?

Tsargon posted:

2. im also pretty sure that to call a society communist then theres a longer list of qualifications than 'one person in it doesnt know what an investment portfolio is'

MAYBE you should read the link i posted, which outlines the way in which private property, corporations, transportation, etc, have clearly been abolished in the time of TNG.

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Cycloneboy posted:

Tsargon posted:

Cycloneboy posted:

Tsargon posted:

obviously he does not, but a lack of capitalism in no way means they live in communism.

i'm pretty sure that reaganite America is capitalist, tsargon.

1. if we're going to be completely literal than rodenberry's vision cant be reaganite America because that ended in 1989. good debate guys.

i'm pretty sure that any kind of reaganite thing is going to be damn fucking capitalist? that was the whole point?

Tsargon posted:

2. im also pretty sure that to call a society communist then theres a longer list of qualifications than 'one person in it doesnt know what an investment portfolio is'

MAYBE you should read the link i posted, which outlines the way in which private property, corporations, transportation, etc, have clearly been abolished in the time of TNG.



1. 'reaganite America' includes more than "being fucking capitalist," do your best to follow data's lead and try to not be so autistic about everything.

2. you are correct in that i did not read your essay from stardestroyer.net

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Tsargon posted:

top 5 tng personally is like:

1. chain of command two parter
2. flute episode
3. all good things
4. remember me (crusher gets trapped in a pocket dimension and has to reason her way out)
5. yesterday's enterprise

same except replace all good things w/ fistful of datas, and replace yesterdays enterprise w/ q who

e: also chain of command w/ darmok

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Tsargon posted:

top 5 tng personally is like:

1. chain of command two parter
2. flute episode
3. all good things
4. remember me (crusher gets trapped in a pocket dimension and has to reason her way out)
5. yesterday's enterprise

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Komm, süßer Tod is the best gift you can give to a Canadian.
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Twin Peaks is Islamic
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Maybe. Twin Peaks is fucking depressing
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Star Trek's Earth was a socialist, and entirely post-capital, post-scarcity society. they brag about it in like every other episode.

lol remember when they introduced the Ferengi and they had to compare them to "yankee traders" because calling them spacejews was illegal

AmericanNazbro posted:

also star trek is some faggot shit for faggots



faggots are responsible for 99% of all cultural progress so yeah, naturally

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aerdil posted:

starfleet is pretty obviously a not-so-subtle form of violent control over their little slice of galactic empire complete with clean-cut nazi-like uniforms

any dissidents who attempt to fight policies which frequently marginalize people standing in the way of the federation's goals are politically repressed quite swiftly, the Maquis being the prime example



right right but you were saying that they weren't communist, what about that

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did i make the post about how human contact with other intelligent life forms is completely nonsense / impossible or did i forget to click submit and close the tab?
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AmericanNazbro posted:

aerdil posted:

most fascism is pretty clearly anti-capitalist as well so a post-scarcity society condemning greed in favor for the greater community ain't inherently socialist

fascism is mostly associated with nazis and the axis of world war 2, which was deeply and intrinsically capitalists

the problem with assigning generalizations to fascism is there isn't a real definition of the word. it's a vague and ominous word that strikes terror into the hearts of liberals and aside from that it really holds no meaning.

also star trek is some faggot shit for faggots



communists are supposed to hate fascism nazbro

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EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

did i make the post about how human contact with other intelligent life forms is completely nonsense / impossible or did i forget to click submit and close the tab?



thats what they told christopher columbus

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All I'm saying is that, if you think about it, Communism is pretty cool.
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the fact of post-scarcity in the star trek universe isn't an argument that one or the other 20th century political tendency won out, but an argument for what such a condition will look like. star trek imagines something approaching a pax americana imo.